Quote from: scryptminer on November 22, 2015, 11:17:17 AM

Quote from: chrysophylax on November 22, 2015, 01:02:09 AM

Quote from: scryptminer on November 21, 2015, 01:40:53 PM

East is speaking true words, the issue is that even after one year no one is interested in doing something with Karma, or agreeing on a direction. The problem is the lack of interest and support. I sponsor / run the Karma website/forum and did also run a dedicated block-explorer.
I see plenty ppl complaining and discussion the future or past of Karma, instead if you care why not propose something? I got a few idea's how to get Karma back on track and build something on top of it. However that would requires a few dedicated ppl who can organise themselves
and support the cause. We can easy build a KARMA DAO (Decentralised Autonomous Organisation) where the governance is done by Smart-Contracts. It would take care of all financials without a single person having access to it. It would be complete transparent to everyone and everyone who want to contribute could earn something. As I said, I got a few ideas how to do that and I am even willing to help out but that only works if there is a real interest and ppl who are willing to sponsor their skills and time.

Let me know who got interest and in what capacity

Best,
Karma Admin aka scryptminer

seriously? ...

so all ive said is primarily 'waffle' and didnt actually TELL you what was required and what im willing to do? ...

ok - when YOU get serious about it - then i WILL look at it much more seriously also ...

you use the words dedicated and interested and organize - yet look over those that are willing to take the time to write not only thoughts - but place the groundwork on what NEEDS to be done in order to get this coin back up ...

seriously scryptminer - if you are anything that you say you are - you would have taken what i have written and accepted the fact that without a leader - or at least leadership - this coin and its infrastructure are doomed ... and i dont mean a community group to make decisions - i mean a person or a small team to take the 'bull by its horns' and tackle it head on ... to take ownership of the coin and the infrastructure ... yes a proper takeover ...

i have the experience and the know how to stabilize the entire backend - as well as take on the infratstructure as a whole ... i also have the team that would be required to bring such a coin back up - as long as they are willing to eat into more of their time for such a project ...

yes - i mean a complete takeover ... but i sure hell wouldnt take on a project like this and 'dedicate' my time effort and money to 'organize' and take it more 'seriously' if i didnt have control of the reins of the coin and infrastructure ... what you are asking is simply - come and show how much time and effort and money you can put in - THEN ill think about building a team to work on the coin ... even then - you are saying that its going to be a decentralized DECISION making process? ... really? ...

it is this reason the 'coin' is in the state of affairs it is in - and the same reason that there a re not many people willing to absorb the costs of such a taking ...

ownership - leadership - takeover ... they are all one and the same when referring to this coin ...

#crysx

Ok, first I apologise that I have not read all of your posts, quite frankly I said it many times, discussion about KARMA should happen in the KARMA forum, so I stopped looking at every single thread in here.

You talk about the handover and full control to bring back the glory days, well sounds awesome what is your plan, how do you intend to do that?

I am not interested in long discussions about who has the bigger back-end but before you start giving me grief you might want to check out who I am. And in terms of what I have already put in to Karma and still do.
I sponsor the entire backend with my Team, I pay for everything and I run the support. Oh and did I mention I pay for everything ?

For me the word KARMA has a meaning and that is the reason I hold on to this project. I believe there can be something done, and I said it many times to the CORE Team that was arguing about it on Telegram for many month (BTW you all where invited but no one ever showed up).

I don't believe that KARMA needs a central authority at all. It can be build decentralised and even autonomous. How? Check out the definition of a DAO. If you want to bring back KARMA then you need to think out of the box, build something where everyone can use it for themselves
and others.

Just to clear that FULL TAKE-OVER point once and for all. Never going to happen!

There are several entities that have ownership of parts of the KARMA World, that includes copyrights, trademarks, domain-names, social-sites etc and some of those ppl have not shown themselves or any interest in the past year to do anything or wanting to let go of their
objects. However the good news, you don't need to have Control to build something at all. You can even monazite it for yourself if you wish so. If you still believe that mining a X11/Scrypt Coin is going to fetch the interest of anyone outside of the coin-holders themselves,
then you have not checked what is going on. The only way to make usage of KARMA is to use it as a brand like some others do, build something where the masses can use it. A real user case, project, product even.

I will open a new Thread on the Forum where we can discuss potential opportunity and interest.

/Karma Admin

maybe YOU need to see what was written by a 'newbie' account - and then tell me to look into your history ...

when i see a newbie account talking the talk - i would like to see him / her walk the walk ... obviously you have - so my apologies also ...

i think that if the consensus is simply to allow any and all to have part ownership of parts of karma - then so be it ... i truly believe it will go no further than what it has done ...

im not here to fight over who has the bigger appendage than the other scryptminer - i dont care if yours is bigger or you hold more than i do or that you OWN the backend ( notice - OWN ) ... the argument you have put forward is of no consequence to the points i have made ...

in essence - the ownership of the entire backend PROVES that a takeover with complete control MEANS a more successful karma ... if you already have copyrights and business components - then how on earth do you suggest a decentralized way of operation when the CORE is centralized ...

just make it YOUR coin - and spread the karma ... i dont see an issue with that - nor do most ... especially if you already OWN 70% of the coins infrastructure ...

oh - and if a takeover is 'never going to happen' - i think its because it already has ...

maybe you should look into who i am - and what i have done ... just so you know that i am quite competent in differentiating a decentralized infrastructure and a centralized one ...

i have always been - and always will be - in favor of a hardfork AND in favor of a complete takeover of the coin and its infrastructure so that it can move forward ... whether you think i am a viable candidate is irrelevant ... if you hold that much of the infrastructure and others hold rights to components of the coin and logo etc ... then really look at how you intend on moving forward with a keen eye ...

a brand - yes agreed ... how? ... you tell me ... especially when the owners of all those copyrights and trademarks are not willing to give them up? ...

decentralization - go right ahead - i would like to see this happen on a centralized infrastructure like karma ...

its great that you pay for everything - its great that you and your team ( notice it was YOU that kept saying your team ) is taking care of business - its great that its all still kept alive and supported by you ... i have a similar situation - with one quite stark exception ... i OWN it all ...

there NEEDS to be a leadership - that is MY opinion ... obviously its not yours ... so be it ...

you may be talking to a person here that is willing to invest a great deal - or nothing at all ... but as long as you have this type of direction - then the coin will be directionless ...

i guess its up to you and the team you own now mate ... seriously ... i would back you totally - if i KNEW that what you were doing would work ... but i have no faith in this type of ( mis ) management ...

btw - if you ask me what i can bring to the table ... then the question should actually be - what is it karma can bring to the table FOR those that are looking at investing / coding / marketing / etc ... i need not prove anything - especially if my time - effort - and money is going to be invested into an infrastructure that is completely out of my control ...

i do hope that karma does get back ontrack - but i certainly hope it wont be in the headless direction its currently at mate ...

#crysx