Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2015, 04:48:37 PM

Quote from: Terrik on November 23, 2015, 04:13:09 PM

Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2015, 03:55:44 PM

Quote from: Terrik on November 23, 2015, 03:39:43 PM

as far as I know, no ninja change to the TOS has ever occured, I know there were lengthy debate about the TOS in the board meetings, and everything was agreed upon, and there was ample notice to everyone invested, and everyone was given the option to leave if they wanted.. I don't believe there was any significant exodus as a result, and this seems to be a "deflection" tactic that you like pointing out.. and I'm not sugar coating anything, in fact, it looks quite the opposite to me like you're trying to make something out of nothing.. but it's clear we have a different perspective on this specific matter..

Well it's nice that you BOIs debated it and all. Maybe that's why the TOS sounds like it's written in crayons. Have you actually read it? Doesn't it make you cringe? Not even a little?

naw, I haven't actually read it recently, I could go take a look at a specific part of it that you have issue with and we can discuss it if you'd like, I understand the reason to discourage frequent inputs/outputs though, simply because of the way stake coins work, if you got someone putting money in one week, and taking it out the next, it causes problems with stake wallet structuring, personally, if I were to withdraw, I'd just ask for it whenever it's convienent.. but I'm familiar with what's actually going on under the hood..

Now if you could just get past the word "ninja" that you didn't like - let's call it a difference of opinion - and address the actual contents of my earlier post?

well, using words like ninja etc.. just not really necessary, and the only reason I see for stuff like that is simply to be malicious.. anyways.. what part of the previous post did you want me to look at, I don't always have time to go thru lengthy posts and go digging thru who said what and when.. when it usually just turns out to be something trivial and irrelevant to the conversation.. and I know you think I'm sticking up for leroy, but I'm really not, I just don't automatically assume the worst in people, and draw my own conclusions, and I'm not always right, nobody is.. you guys are 100% sure that the guy is trying to scam people, and you're entitled to your opinions, but so am I ya? he's really given me no reason to remove my investment.. sorry if I'm rambling on a bit, but I just get tired of the constant negativity, and don't really like listening to people argue all the time.. Sad

are there actually any forum threads where people aren't just constantly harassing each other around here? I am pretty new around here, and I know there's some speculation about that going around, since I know a few people in the crypto community, but it is what it is..

You don't have time to READ my post but you have time to reply with a bunch of irrelevant prose? And it is my responsibility now to repeat what I already posted? Ok then... I'll play along. One more time.

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~~cyberpinoy has ninja-changed the TOS a couple of times and~~ (you read this much - now read the rest and respond to the bolded parts at least ->) the most recent change is to split withdrawals into two parts. If what you're saying is a concern then disturbing the staking wallets TWICE for the same withdrawal would be the wrong thing to do. Besides he hasn't been actually removing the coins from wallets anyway - for example the NET wallet hasn't been touched for at least a few withdrawals that I know of. The TOS is now clearly designed to stall the withdrawals because cyberpinoy doesn't have funds to pay everything he owes. And yes, there have been issues with withdrawals - at least one investor had an excessive fee charged on his withdrawal and cyberpinoy has refused to correct it or even explain the calculation he used to come up with the fee.

How do you reconcile the above with what you've posting over and over in this thread?

And one more reminder to look at my numbers and tell us how you can keep defending cyberpinoy:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=990219.msg13035557#msg13035557

If you are not going to do that just tell me. I don't really have the time to waste here with you. There has been more than enough proof posted but you just keep denying everything even without looking at anything. So what's it gonna be? Fact-based discussion or further walls of green text without substance?

Quote from: Terrik on November 23, 2015, 04:23:11 PM

again, this is just baseless, unsubstantiated fud on your part, and really makes for a toxic atmosphere in general around here, why so sour?

Actually it's well substantiated, you just refuse to look at any proof being spoon-fed to you. By the way your argument regarding fiat value doesn't make any sense. cyberpinoy collects BTC and is paying out BTC. Maybe think about that for a minute before responding.

nothing to think about on that one, it's an altcoin stake pool.. bitcoin doesn't stake silly.. altcoins have to be purchased, and altcoins have to be sold.. and I still haven't clicked on whatever "proof" you have there in the hyper link.. because I already know it's purely speculation without even having to look at it.. but I'm sure you spent alot of time and effort compiling the data to prove whatever it is you're trying to prove there.. but ya, you don't know what's going on under the hood, and you're trying to figure out what coins are going where and when and what's being paid with what.. but the truth is, you simply aren't privy to all the facts, and what you're presenting is only half the story at best.. so I guess we're done here, as I am uninterested in a data set I know not to be real story.. enjoy being more productive with your time, as I know I will be, since we're done here eh?