Quote from: iCEBREAKER on November 24, 2015, 12:19:17 AM

Quote from: smooth on November 23, 2015, 10:44:46 PM

Quote from: ArticMine on November 23, 2015, 10:04:36 PM

If they are using a side chain they are using an alt-coin by another name

Agree and I haven't seen any proposals for how these are even going to be done well by altcoin standards. The proposals I've seen are merged mining and a closed group of block signers.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

We're only at the beginning of the beginning. Sidechains, CLTV, and two-way pegs are only the primitives and we have no more idea what may be possible with them than the inventors of the transistor could foresee the Sony AIBO and Girls Gone Bitcoin.

Oh no doubt. I think 'smart contracts' are the primitive more so than sidechains and two-way pegs though. Smarts contracts will likely be used for many constructions that fit together better than the current half-baked 'let's go raise a $21 million Bitcoin development warchest on this' sidechains white paper. I don't think there is anything wrong with having done that either, I just expect pivoting (Lightning is itself already a bit of a pivot for Blockstream).