Quote from: Junko on November 27, 2015, 01:52:21 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on November 26, 2015, 02:27:39 PM

Quote from: Pimpmycoin on November 26, 2015, 10:18:09 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on November 25, 2015, 08:18:46 PM

Pimpmycoin and everyone, we certainly will take everyone's feedback into account when deciding whether or not to host another 10 btc freeroll. We had over 900 registered entrants in the last 10 btc freeroll and receive several requests daily to have another 10 btc freeroll and inquiries from companies wanting to co-sponsor a 10 btc freeroll. We know most players appreciate the opportunity, hence over 900 register for the tournament, but we have a lot to assess when deciding whether or not have another 10 btc freeroll. We would actually like to host them regularly and will certainly keep you informed.

Quote from: Junko on November 26, 2015, 03:56:49 AM

Oh man, this is awesome. When I first saw the OSS on another site a while back, I thought that I was going to have to make a new account on ACR including going through the verification process which I didn't really want to do in order to take part in it because I hadn't seen Betcoin.ag mention anything about it until now. But now that I see you guys are in on it, I don't have to make another WPN account. I can just take part in it from betcoin using bitcoin. Nice.

i have played on betcoin for some time,

i have only positive feedback, i made some cash out without problem

and about the freeroll i have only to say tnx for this free opportunity

How do you feel about the issues which have been brought up over the past several pages of this thread?

Did you read them?

Do you not believe they happened? Or do you think it's acceptable?

Not trying to attack you, just not understanding how or why so many are choosing to endorse Betcoin because they they don't have issues with withdraws/offer WPN tourneys/have low rake etc...while acting as if none of the problems within the thread even exist. If you don't believe me, or think theyre no big deal I would understand, but why not say so? If you want to do some good for Betcoin, prove I'm wrong.

Since your beef seemed directed at Betcoin, I purposefully stayed out of it all since I'm sure Betcoin is capable of fighting its own battles in their own way. That and I didn't want to directly muck up your course of action by posting comments which might be taken as trolling. But since you appear to be calling me out by quoting me, I'll go ahead and bite. (Not in the mood to do anything else right now since my Dallas Cowboys lost ugly today.)

How do you feel about the issues which have been brought up over the past several pages of this thread?

I do think pretty much all of the issues you and others have brought up are very valid. It's no joke anytime reputations, integrity and money is involved/at stake.

Did you read them?

Yes.

From the no collusion freeroll, a cheater getting a second chance, BBJP funding, missing status points, ddos cheaters, noncompensations for funds lost due to cheaters, the wpn satty points issue, let's see, what else, deleted posts/threads on the betcoin.ag community forums, shill posts in the community forum and here on bitcointalk, how all these issues have been handled by support via tickets, support chat, community chat, community forum threads/posts.

There may be more so forgive me if I'm missing anything else.

Now correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I gather, you don't have a problem as much with the actual mistakes made, but moreso with how they are/were handled by betcoin staff, reps and support. At least that's what I remember reading in some of your posts.

Do you not believe they happened? Or do you think it's acceptable?

I do believe the issues you brought up occurred. The initial mistakes themselves, I can accept. How these initial mistakes were subsequently handled, I do find somewhat dubious in some aspects. So I would lean towards the way some things were handled as being unacceptable. In other cases, without going into detail, I have no opinion either way.

However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.

Not trying to attack you, just not understanding how or why so many are choosing to endorse Betcoin because they they don't have issues with withdraws/offer WPN tourneys/have low rake etc...while acting as if none of the problems within the thread even exist. If you don't believe me, or think theyre no big deal I would understand, but why not say so? If you want to do some good for Betcoin, prove I'm wrong.

How and why I am I choosing to endorse Betcoin other than because of all the pros and in light of the issues you bring up? I'll repeat what I just wrote above: However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.

Form whatever judgments and opinions of me for continuing to give Betcoin my action as you wish, anyone is certainly entitled and welcome to do so.

As far as proving you wrong, I feel no compelling need or desire whatsoever to do so. If your intentions with this whole endeavor are genuinely in the name of helping out the poker community and not because you are butthurt, then more power to you. If your crusade helps those for whom the issues you bring up about Betcoin are a dealbreaker as far as choosing a poker site where they will be happy, then good on ya too. Respect.

Junko I really do appreciate you taking the time to respond to everything.

I also don't blame you for thinking I might just be butthurt and seeking revenge (or something else). I would too. To be honest, I am pissed at them on a personal level, I feel they do owe ME money and they have also lied to ME after gaining my trust and since then been extremely disrespectful to ME. They also have lied to others about ME.

With that being said, I'm putting a great deal of thought into keeping my posts as objective as possible, fully transparent and focusing only on what I can prove. I realize I'm not successful 100% of the time.

Most other sites have a formal dispute process and are willing to involve a impartial third party, that would make this much easier - but it's not an option.

I want to address one of your thoughts:

Quote

However, just because I do find the way some things were handled to be on the unacceptable side, it doesn't mean that going forward that these blemeshies can't be learned from, improved upon, remedied and taken care of with a more positive resolution for all those concerned if and when other similar or nonsimilar issues crop up in the future. That's how I reconcile my continued play at Betcoin.ag aside from all the positive things that they offer their players.

I agree with what you are literally saying here, we should always s be looking for a way to resolve conflict in as positive a way as possible and learn from our mistakes.

But it seems that you are implying that I am preventing this from happening.

Betcoin has demonstrated a pattern of dishonest, unethical behavior over a significant period of time. They have made no indication that they plan on handling things differently in the future. They have yet to admit to anything I've accused them of. The only time they attempted to deny was with a reply which I proved to be a blatant lie.

By making posts endorsing them or thanking them for their services tells Betcoin that you think what they're doing is OK. It also tells other similar businesses (which you may use already or in the future) that behaving like they have is OK.

If Betcoin were willing to admit their mistakes and learn from them, I would be rooting for them to succeed as much as anyone. (I was rooting for them, even during and after many of these issues happened)