Quote from: BADecker on November 29, 2015, 11:25:02 PM

Quote from: Spendulus on November 29, 2015, 03:12:34 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 29, 2015, 01:38:08 AM

Sometimes I almost seem to be wanting to turn the peaceful Muslims into people of violence in the way that I write about the violence directives in the Islamic writings. But, that is not what I want to do.

The thing that I am trying to do is to show peaceful Muslims that they, themselves, are interpreting the violence of their own religious writings into peace, even though those writings express a lot of violence directives.

The point is that Muslims are turning away from Islam by themselves, because most people want peace rather than violence. This is very evident among the Sunni's, who allow all kinds of religious practices in their Islam... almost so that you can't tell if the various Sunni's are really Sunni or really Islamic.

Sure, they call themselves Muslims. And they proclaim that they follow Islam. But they are so shocked at and abhorrent of the violence directives in their religious writings, that they attempt to turn these directives into things of peace.

As an Atheist, I despise the very idea of defining people by one religion or another. More than that, I despise the religion which encourages or requires such self-definition.

After that is done, though, then the discussion is "framed." It is framed in terms of one religion versus another, instead of humans, one versus another.

So let me say straight out that your Christianity is not what I consider Christianity to best be, but this is a mild criticism. At it's worst, Christianity cannot begin to reach the depravity of the bastardization of Islam by Sayd Qutb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cj_Qj3xMtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik0VUXVgWe4

Virtually no one in the Western world understands who Qutb was or his relationship to generations of radical Islam. No doubt that is part of why and how they confuse Islam with extremist Islam. However the very existence of such as the writings of Qutd show that radical Islam, is in fact a subset of Islam.

Well, at least that seems to be right.

Of course. That's what the atheism religion says. Avoid considering your religion and the religion of any other people at all costs. And use your religion of atheism to avoid itself.

You atheists are about as dense as anyone can get, even more dense than 1aguar and his PJs.

Only a religious person could consider an atheist to be religious. While an atheist may indeed hold some religious beliefs (religion, religare, to bind (oneself to a creed)), the term itself comes from religious people. We just don't have a better label. Look at what the word actually means. a, without. theism, a belief in specific gods. Or literally, without gods. What an individual atheist believes regarding a great many things is not in any way associated with the label atheist. It tells you what we DON'T believe, not what we do. A christian, by that label, likely believes that Yeheshua Ben Jacob was a real person, conceived by a spirit creature to be an Avatar of Yahweh, that said person made a huge ruckus from about 1 to 33 AD, and was crucified by Jews, rather than Romans. My knowledge of Islam is far less than my knowledge of Christianity, but I can posit from a person identifying themselves as a Muslim that they believe that Mohammed was Allah's last prophet, and that the Q'uran is an inspired book (in the spiritual sense).

Since I self identify as an atheist, all you really know of me from that, prior to interaction, is that I believe in three less gods than you.