Quote from: Lethn on November 01, 2012, 01:10:49 PM

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What's wrong with forcing human kindness? Unfortunately it would seem its needed.

The point is that if you force human kindness then it is no longer kindness, now I'm absolutely rubbish at math, but I happen to know that a huge amount of taxes doesn't go towards helping people, but military spending and shady deals involving buying up worthless government bonds from people who can't pay them back and also in the long run does absolutely nothing but make the situation for them worse because it won't allow the economy to correct itself however that's a different subject entirely.

Charities use the same kind of underhanded logic when they try to justify going around and hassling people in supermarkets etc. ( happens a lot in the UK but they seemed to have stopped it where I am which I'm very grateful for ) but I constantly see them still going around asking for money after several years and I really do mean several because I remember them asking the same thing when I was young and a lot of people in the UK at least are beginning to agree this is more like extortion and emotional blackmail.

I was just having a look at the Chinese tax system as well and it's another example of this kind of hypocrisy, why is it that when politicians and tax advocates claim that taxes are there to help people they go ahead and tax the poor? What benefit do they get from it? The worst part is how people like you butcher the middle class and always try to find away to take all their money compared to spreading the taxation evenly so the rich have to pay a real share as well.

If you're going to be a tax advocate, then show some balls and tax the people who can afford to pay it.

Maybe what I said in my previous post was not clear enough, I am by no means a 'tax advocate' in the sense you are trying to portray. My point is, tax, the idea of it, is a good thing. Unfortunately the reality of tax is a sham, like you pointed out above, the money does not end up where it should.

I was merely chiming in against some of these people who want no tax at all.. Now I can fully understand why people hate tax's because the money is wasted on shit, but IF spent correctly, tax's can play a significant role in building a better society.

All these dog eat dog, do it on your own back idealist's, be lucky you have the life you do, because many people, for what ever reason, cannot support themselves, some through faults of their own, others who have no choice in it. We are not all born equal, some of us are very lucky, some very unlucky.