Quote from: johnsmith1964 on December 06, 2015, 12:54:05 PM

Hmm, ok i agree.

It does look like both sides will lose money. There does seem to be a few energy deals on the table, so yes you are correct that turkey may lose out more than russia. But i still think russia is still much more unstable than russia.

Quote from: galdur on December 06, 2015, 12:46:21 PM

Quote from: johnsmith1964 on December 06, 2015, 12:41:09 PM

Turkey is actually very lucky to be a member of NATO. It can rely on its allies if it is attacked.

Its allies will stick up for turkey and the EU especially does try to help Turkey a lot. Also in terms of what Russia is going to do it is all just posturing, Russia's economy is is already weakened and these sanctions against Turkey will hardly make a difference.

Yeah, i can´t imagine that loss of dozens of billions of dollars in business will do much harm to Turkey. Also closed export routes will be great for Turkish exporters. Ballooning costs are always good for business. And since Turkey is an exceptionally stable country as it is, those benefits will only make it even more stable.

Where do you figure that Turkey is going to get gas from if Russia turns that off? Hint: They don´t really have any gas producing friends in the region, which is understandable in light of their behavior in the last years supporting extremists here and there.

They´re just lucky that Russia supplies ONLY HALF of their fuel otherwise they could get in real trouble.