Quote from: sloopy on December 06, 2015, 05:12:01 PM

Quote from: p3yot33at3r on December 06, 2015, 02:39:19 PM

Quote from: barrysty1e on December 06, 2015, 02:34:39 PM

Forgive me if i'm wrong; but Antpool appears to be doing the same thing (found block, not submitting straight away, mining on header of found block, submitting both in quick succession).. standard behaviour from them?

Blocks 387005 and 387006..

Yup, it's standard behavior for pools that SPV mine I'm afraid, not just f2pool Angry

Yes, this has been going on for far too long.

You have to ask yourself why it is hidden so well. It actually is not hidden at all, it is hidden in plain sight.

Our "coders" (and I say our because if you have a single satoshi then you have a stake), our "coders" of bitcoin core are scared of those pools. If they rock the boat they may have to deal with something sooner rather than much later. Look at the blocksize debate. Regardless of which side of the isle you are on it was a fixed match from the beginning with ALL of the core "coders" including Hearn and Gavin looking to what the 60% controlled by China's "elite" pools had to say.

I haven't been concerned about a 51% attack. That is too degenerative to our economy and would hurt "them". "Them" meaning the pools coordinating the control of bitcoin. They want far more than such. They want to tell us what the price will be, what coins we mine, when we mine them, and what percentage we receive. They want and are dictating the core code in front of our faces.

Bitcoin is mine, yours, and each person's individually. No different than a revolution in a country except this is the world financial revolution which has the opportunity to change the world's future for the better. We do not need this war on two fronts with internal fighting. Miners should unite by dissolving their presence into pools which adhere to appropriate mining protocols and pools who practice the ethics of what is good about bitcoin. Get away from the greed of centralization.

Surely anyone can see that those pools having the amount of hash they posses today cannot be good for the infrastructure.
If others see such and receive education from their peers many will care, and will act. Many will also ride greed and ignorance, but it is not something to take lightly.

At the rate they are growing we will see the China pool cartel dictate what bitcoin becomes through the decisions of a handful of people.
They already refuse to do things such as distribute the source of cgminer when they make changes which completely goes against the license to use it by the creator(s). How can anyone think that is anything but a conscious decision to give everyone the middle finger at any opportunity to continue protecting themselves?

macbook-air has openly stated and it is quoted here on the forum that there is no room for conversation regarding SPV mining. They will continue to do so regardless of what anyone thinks, regardless of the hard forks it has been PROVEN to cause.
This was literally stated by MANY community members AND if anyone cares to recall it was in giant red letters on the bitcoin.org front page which is when people were told they could not trust the normal amount of confirmations.

No, we cannot support them, it is that you must block them. The only way they will listen is if money leaves their pocket in a significant fashion.

You do realize they can be forced to lose quite a bit of coins every day by pointing a modified cg miner that simply discards any solution over the current diff.

If I point my 30th at them with a modified cgminer that tosses all diff over 72 bill now soon to be 79 bill they will pay my hash about .2btc a day and my machines will not ever earn a block.

So if :

30th cost them 0.2 btc a day
300th would be 2.0 btc a day
3000th would be 20.0 btc a day -------------this would be enough to harm their bottom line.

and the attackers would never get hurt.

So my question is why isn't any one doing this to them?

Next question is if this is being done to them are they doing their tactics to survive?

Last question is I can see no way they can defend against a block discard attack so why do they take the risk of their type of pool?