Quote from: saddampbuh on December 07, 2015, 11:10:38 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on December 07, 2015, 07:09:53 PM

However, I am 100% for large scale admission of the smart, talented and educated regardless of race or nationality provided they can find a job to support themselves. I am also for realistic attempts to solve problems.

regardless of race or nationality is an issue because a lot of us aren't happy with the idea of becoming minorities in our own countries. and those talented educated immigrants better not be factory and retail workers coming to undercut our pay and conditions.

This is exactly the erroneous line of thinking that leads to this...

Quote from: wikipedia

The first significant Chinese immigration to North America began with the California Gold Rush of 18481855 and continued with subsequent large labor projects, such as the building of the First Transcontinental Railroad. During the early stages of the gold rush, when surface gold was plentiful, the Chinese were tolerated, if not well received. As gold became harder to find and competition increased, animosity toward the Chinese and other foreigners increased. After being forcibly driven from the mines, most Chinese settled in enclaves in cities, mainly San Francisco, and took up low end wage labor such as restaurant and laundry work. In 1858, the California Legislature passed a law that made it illegal for any person "of the Chinese or Mongolian races" to enter the state

Quote from: saddampbuh on December 07, 2015, 11:10:38 PM

Quote from: CoinCube on December 07, 2015, 07:09:53 PM

Perhaps rather than disparaging Africa the best approach is to try and help it.

if they want help implementing a one child policy that is aggressively enforced with abortions and sterilisation i'd contribute to it but that's not what they want, they want another 100 years of aid money for this or that education programme

I find it odd that you seem to be pushing for total isolationism and leaving of Africa to its own devices unless they somehow collectively agree to a violent policy of forced sterilization that they completely lack that political cohesiveness to agree to in the first place. In effect you are arguing for a policy that is sure to lead to the very outcome you pretend to want to avoid. Your way guarantees a large overpopulated and uneducated continent of 5+ billion desperate people.

http://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/expert/2013-4_Bongaarts_Expert-Paper.pdf

Quote from: John Bongaarts UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs

These findings suggest that the future pace of fertility decline in sub-Saharan Africa will likely be
slower than the pace in other regions at comparable times from the transition onset, unless special
interventions are undertaken.
The conventional approach to accelerating the fertility transition is to invest in development, which,
over time, will bring about a decline in the desired family size and in fertility. In particular, investments in
schooling of girls (an MDG goal) are considered a top priority because education has many benefits for
the future lives of girls as well as for their communities (Levine et.al., 2008; World Bank, 2008;
UNICEF, 2004). In addition, there is a strong inverse correlation between level of education and the
fertility of women (Caldwell, 1980; Jejeebhoy, 1995; Sen, 1999). It is important to note that a large
increase in GDP per capita is not a prerequisite for fertility decline. This is evident in the very low fertility
has been achieved in some very poor societies such as Sri Lanka and the state of Kerala in India.
Although poor, these populations have high levels of literacy and female empowerment as well as low
infant mortality and ready access to methods of family planning. The only drawback of investments in
education is that they take time to have an effect on fertility because of the delay between the age at
schooling and the childbearing years.

Quote from: saddampbuh on December 07, 2015, 11:10:38 PM

do we have a fiat currency problem or do we have a getting into debt to meet the welfare and healthcare requirements of non productive minorites problem?

This is a deep question but the answer is yes we have a fiat currency and we also have a collectivism problem. The welfare, healthcare, and non productive minorities problems follow from those.

For a more detailed answer see.
Economic Devastation