Quote from: Crypt_Current on November 08, 2012, 08:22:46 PM

Quote from: mobodick on November 08, 2012, 08:13:39 PM

The assumption that higher/better intelligence is the way to achieve a well balanced human society is simply false. Actually we don't need these AIs at all because we could already play nice and divide the resources. But humans don't like to play nice an the AI thing is just an excuse to make people listen because, you know,allmighty computers says no. It's a bullshit excuse for the fact that society needs structure as we already have the answer. We need to consume less as a species or we will break everything. That is the simple truth that is hidden by RBE stuff.

Thank you. Agreed. People DO need to consume WAY less. I personally live on less than $5000 / year.
We have successfully completely debunked the RBE paradigm and pulled the rug out from under ZG's feet.

Quote from: mobodick on November 08, 2012, 08:13:39 PM

The real problem, and why i think RBE is complete bullshit, is how to get people to listen to someone (or something) telling them they need to change their behaviour because that is more efficient.
Or, and i just like to repeat it, how will you get Putin to give up his resources?

Psyops combined with making sure your technology is as current as theirs?

Hehe.,
But it's not about technology at all, it's about the fact that they are willing to protect their resources with their lifes. As i said, a social problem that can only be solved with subduction, in whatever way. You know the drill, agression, propaganda, genetic selection... The usual methods of getting yer things done.
So in some ways i would even go as far as saying RMB requires some form of fascism to become reality.
It needs a way to coerce people into cooperation otherwise people just won't cooperate.

But i think that the bigger this consumption problem becomes the more people will be willing to change.
The change just won't be RBE but something that more naturally fits our way of living and won't have the same dramatic consequences that a change to RBE would have.