Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 15, 2015, 08:42:44 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on December 15, 2015, 03:49:41 PM

Yes, people who say they hate Christians are just fulfilling prophecy from the 2,000 year old book they dismiss as only being written by humans.

For a biblical foreknowledge to be valid it must pass ALL these criteria:

1) It must be in the Bible.
2) It must be accurate.
3) It must be unambiguous.
4) It must be improbable.
5) It must have been unknown.

The prophecy you highlighted is false because it failed to satisfy #4.

That's funny, because it had nothing to do with what I was talking about. That would be the accurate thing to say if I was saying you must believe the bible because they just fulfilled the prophecy seen here. But I was purely saying they're fulfilling what's written, which is absolutely true. I wasn't saying you have to believe the bible based on that one prophecy coming true alone.

Quote from: Buffer Overflow on December 15, 2015, 08:42:44 PM

Quote from: MakingMoneyHoney on December 15, 2015, 03:49:41 PM

If it was written by humans, why would the prophecies be coming true thousands of years later?

Well it was written by humans, obviously. Huh

Prophecies coming true ehh? Mmmmm, suggest you read up on "postdiction".
Also "selective thinking" may explain why you are ignoring the mountain of predictive "prophecies" that completely and utterly failed. But hey, you just ignore that elephant in the room and focus on the unimportant tiny fly in the corner.

Only those with eyes will see the truth. If you look for truth you will find it, if you look for lies and contradictions and failed prophecies you will find those. I don't ignore anything, I have my eyes wide open. But those who read the bible looking for errors will certainly find them, and stop looking without questioning why those "Errors" may exist.

By the way, most contradictions in the bible are purely from people specifically translating it incorrectly on purpose to confuse people away form the truth.

Quote from: BADecker on December 15, 2015, 04:38:31 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 02:27:18 PM

Lastly, it seems you are taking the fear of god approach which would mean that we only pray for selfish means to appease a God rather than doing because we feel it is right. God never intended hell as a place for humans to go and in fact would never wish the evil on anyone because he himself would be considered evil. Man is responsible for sending himself to hell. Man must choose that path.

That is the point mate, bravo!

There isn't such a thing as Hell or Paradise. If you carefully read the New Testament you will understand that God use the words Hell and Paradise to explain what did humans did on Earth. In the Revelation of John, John is telling us the story about the fight between Archangel Michael - Seraphim and the Satan. As you can see, Lucifer was banish from the Heaven down to Earth so He can never came back. God first banish us (the humans) and then the Satan.!

We was having that chance to live in the Paradise here, but when we taste from the Tree of Knowledge we loose our minds and start to killing each other. That's why God banish us from Haven down to Earth. At the same time he banish the Satan who lose the fight against the Seraphim.

He can destroy us at any time, but He gave us chance to live with the Devil so we can start to learn what is difference between good and bad. That is the path to the Enlightenment!

I am glad you replied to sorryforthat the way you did. Personally I believe that the Bible clearly speaks about a real Heaven and Hell existing outside of this earthly life. Our life here, since the fall into sin, is more like the Purgatory of the Roman Catholic Church.

The speaking in the Revelation about the New Heavens and the New Earth is a clearer explanation of Heaven. It is a new universe that has different physical laws than this one - a different physics and science.

The Lake of Fire in the Revelation is a smelting pot that melts the eternal soul down into its component parts so that God gets His energy back. Since the soul is eternal, the tearing down of the soul is eternal as well. God can wait for eternity to be over, because He is outside, even, of eternity, although He is eternal at the same time.

I don't agree. We don't have eternal life from the beginning, people won't be burning in hell forever and ever. We are given eternal life through Jesus, or why else would it say Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Our eternal life is a gift, it is not for everyone, but only for those who choose to accept it. The wages of sin are death, not burning forever and ever.