Quote from: ClownSpider on December 16, 2015, 03:38:11 AM

Quote from: Quickseller on December 16, 2015, 03:22:55 AM

In other words, the OP wants you to give ~~him~~ his car dealership $20,000 in cash, and then will send you $20,000 worth of bitcoin. He is not accepting escrow, and is insisting that you send first Roll Eyes

No, not in other words. I have very clearly explained that I want the funds given to a dealership, by bank wire, NOT CASH, and then I will send $20k in bitcoin. You are fucking crazy if you think I would send Bitcoin BEFORE a bank wire. Bank wires have a paper trail and FDIC bank insurance.
Escrow? Are you joking? "Escrow" to you means some anonymous fucker that can steal, and will. Look at MTGOX.
You sir have a history of being a scammer with alts.

For all intensive purposes a bank wire is the same as cash, as you are not going to be able to reverse either a cash payment to a dealership or a bank wire to a dealership.

Granted a bank wire is going to have a paper trail, however there is nothing about that paper trail that will force you to send the bitcoin once the payment is sent to the dealership. All that FDIC insurance is going to do is protect you against bank failures (up to $250,000 per depositor, per account type), and will do nothing about the potential for the dealership to go under, and will do nothing to protect against you from scamming.

If you were to have the car registered to a fake person's name, and do not send bitcoin to the bitcoin seller, then the police would be looking for a fake person who does not exist. Once the owner of a car can report a car as being stolen, so there would be no one to report the car as stolen, even though the bitcoin seller paid for it. Additionally, car thieves will sometimes sell car parts of a car they steal (eg hood, doors, seats, ect.), and you could potentially sell the car you receive and do not pay for scrap parts -- you would probably not receive $20,000 for this, however considering that you paid nothing for it, that will not matter for you.

Regarding escrow, if you are serious about getting this done, then I would suggest OgNasty. He is currently holding over $240,000 worth of bitcoin. He also recently released 130BTC in an escrowed deal for a bunch of miners which is almost triple the amount of your proposed deal. I would personally call it ridiculous to think that you wouldn't be able to trust him with $20,000.

Bottom line is that a paper trail of a transaction is not going to protect anyone against you scamming them, the same way that the trail that the blockchain leaves is not going to protect you from a scammer.

I would say that there is a fairly good chance that you are not even able to prove that you are in control of $20,000 worth of bitcoin Wink