Quote from: BADecker on December 16, 2015, 05:42:30 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 15, 2015, 04:05:18 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

There are a lot of people who speak about the light without talking about Christ. You have asked me two questions here. Yet you have not said that you accept Jesus salvation as the Bible states it. You keep on wanting teasing me with questions while not making a statement.

Besides, the admonition was really rhetorical, anyway, regarding you personally.

I am the Light and Christ is the same meaning mate!

Granted, the following definition is very basic. None of it says anything about Christ meaning "I am the Light." Basically further, "Christ" simply means "Messiah" which means "Savior." From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/christ?s=t:

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Christ
[krahyst]

noun
1. Jesus of Nazareth, held by Christians to be the fulfillment of prophecies in the Old Testament regarding the eventual coming of a Messiah.
2. the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament (used chiefly in versions of the New Testament).
3. someone regarded as similar to Jesus of Nazareth.

interjection
4. Sometimes Offensive. (used as an oath or strong expression of disbelief, dismay, awe, disappointment, pain, etc.)

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

Sometimes I mix my words and maybe that's why people think that I don't accept the same thing that I speak,

Does it matter if someone thinks that you believe what you speak or not?

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

but don't worry I am able to solve that problem when someone ask me.

All I am trying to tell you is the meaning behind the words of Christ and his Apostles!

Well, thanks. However, as I pointed out above, the dictionary has the meanings. There are all kinds of Bible dictionaries and the Bible itself. But, thanks for your efforts... I think.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

What is a level of consciousness? Why would one want to be more conscious that he is when he is conscious? If there is something in the idea of being conscious that you like, then go for it.

Why not?

Okay.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

Well, I definitely suggest you to watch the Matrix and try to find the difference between the material and the spiritual world.

Good movie, right? But there wasn't really anything about the difference between the material world and the spiritual world in it. And even if there was, that wasn't the point of the movie.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

Christ was trying to teach is in His words, that we need to stop loving this world and embrace each other!

If you mean love when you say "embrace," that is definitely part of what Jesus was teaching.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 03:20:15 PM

One does not need a special level of consciousness to believe in Jesus salvation.

Oh my God... Did I must repeat my self again? - Jesus Christ was that High level of consciousness, His words, acts, and miracles. He was telling us that we able to that only if we believe in HIM!

I don't think that it is a requirement for you to repeat yourself. However, if you feel you must, go right ahead.

The Bible doesn't talk about reaching a higher level of consciousness by believing Jesus, or by believing in Jesus. That is what someone else is trying to suggest that the Bible means.

I am not saying that something like improved consciousness won't happen for those who believe in Jesus and His salvation work for them. All I am saying is that the Bible doesn't talk about it that way, and improved consciousness is not the important thing even if it does happen. Faith in Jesus for salvation is the important thing. If higher consciousness is attached to that somehow, great. The important thing is salvation.

Let me say one other thing. Even if a higher level of consciousness, or some form of improved consciousness, is what Jesus salvation is all about, since the Bible doesn't say it that way, it is unnecessary to consider it that way.

Does it matter if someone thinks that you believe what you speak or not?

Yes, because you already told me that I didn't accept the Christ salvation, because I don't see the Bible like you did it...

What you believe doesn't depend on what I think you believe. If you think it does, you are a child. The important thing is what God KNOWS you believe. Further, I based my thinking on things that you had said. Now that you have clarified about yourself, I can think differently about you.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

Well, thanks. However, as I pointed out above, the dictionary has the meanings. There are all kinds of Bible dictionaries and the Bible itself. But, thanks for your efforts... I think.

Did you ever try to read some books who are related whit the Bible and by a different examples to try to understand the meaning of the words in the New Testament?

I have done this. But then I stopped doing it, because I found that the Bible is self-explanatory much better than the other books that try to explain it.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

Good movie, right? But there wasn't really anything about the difference between the material world and the spiritual world in it. And even if there was, that wasn't the point of the movie.

Okay, please tell me your point of view about the Matrix... I would love to read it!

Well, I did that above. Why do you want to know what I think? You could have quoted the part where I explained what I think about the Matrix, but you left it out.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

The Bible doesn't talk about reaching a higher level of consciousness by believing Jesus, or by believing in Jesus. That is what someone else is trying to suggest that the Bible means.

If higher consciousness is attached to that somehow, great. Wink

Let me say one other thing. Even if a higher level of consciousness, or some form of improved consciousness, is what Jesus salvation is all about, since the Bible doesn't say it that way, it is unnecessary to consider it that way.

You see, that is the main problem for all those who already read the Bible. Why don't try do see and think of the words that are written in the New Testament with a мodern scientific examples. Did you ever try that?

Yes. And many of the modern, scientific examples are way behind what the Bible says. So, why continue?

Modern science doesn't conclude that mankind needs a savior... at least not in what it says directly. Yet all the examples of modern science show that a savior is needed. How do they show it? They show it by modern science not being able to extend the lives of people even a little bit. In fact, modern science tends to make warfare which shortens the lives of many. Ever heard of bombs? So, the people of modern science need a savior outside of themselves. Why, therefore, consider modern science on a level with the greatness of the Jesus salvation shown in the Bible?

Let me say it shorter. Modern science doesn't have life in it. The Bible has life in it. Who needs modern science? Modern science is a step backward, mostly because it doesn't accept the scientific shortcuts that God gives mankind.

Let me say it shorter. Modern science doesn't have life in it. The Bible has life in it. Who needs modern science? Modern science is a step backward, mostly because it doesn't accept the scientific shortcuts that God gives mankind.

The end of life is to be like God, and the soul following God will be like Him.

Socrates

I have offended God and mankind because my work didn't reach the quality it should have.

Leonardo da Vinci

Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.

Albert Einstein

The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.

Nikola Tesla

The whole science is build on these 4 people... what do you think about this?