Quote from: BADecker on December 16, 2015, 05:22:30 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:33:47 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 15, 2015, 04:38:31 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 15, 2015, 02:27:18 PM

Lastly, it seems you are taking the fear of god approach which would mean that we only pray for selfish means to appease a God rather than doing because we feel it is right. God never intended hell as a place for humans to go and in fact would never wish the evil on anyone because he himself would be considered evil. Man is responsible for sending himself to hell. Man must choose that path.

That is the point mate, bravo!

There isn't such a thing as Hell or Paradise. If you carefully read the New Testament you will understand that God use the words Hell and Paradise to explain what did humans did on Earth. In the Revelation of John, John is telling us the story about the fight between Archangel Michael - Seraphim and the Satan. As you can see, Lucifer was banish from the Heaven down to Earth so He can never came back. God first banish us (the humans) and then the Satan.!

We was having that chance to live in the Paradise here, but when we taste from the Tree of Knowledge we loose our minds and start to killing each other. That's why God banish us from Haven down to Earth. At the same time he banish the Satan who lose the fight against the Seraphim.

He can destroy us at any time, but He gave us chance to live with the Devil so we can start to learn what is difference between good and bad. That is the path to the Enlightenment!

I am glad you replied to sorryforthat the way you did. Personally I believe that the Bible clearly speaks about a real Heaven and Hell existing outside of this earthly life. Our life here, since the fall into sin, is more like the Purgatory of the Roman Catholic Church.

The speaking in the Revelation about the New Heavens and the New Earth is a clearer explanation of Heaven. It is a new universe that has different physical laws than this one - a different physics and science.

The Lake of Fire in the Revelation is a smelting pot that melts the eternal soul down into its component parts so that God gets His energy back. Since the soul is eternal, the tearing down of the soul is eternal as well. God can wait for eternity to be over, because He is outside, even, of eternity, although He is eternal at the same time.

I am glad you replied to sorryforthat the way you did. Personally I believe that the Bible clearly speaks about a real Heaven and Hell existing outside of this earthly life. Our life here, since the fall into sin, is more like the Purgatory of the Roman Catholic Church.

You see, that is the difference... You personally believe that the Bible clearly speaks about the real Paradise and Hell and actually never show us where is it. The Bible clearly speaks about Heaven and Earth and that is very different with Paradise and Hell.

Jesus said that Heaven and earth will pass away. This means that these things that we know will become non-existent.

Revelation says that there will be New Heavens and a New Earth because the old one had passed away. John saw this new universe come down from God.

How much clearer can one be?

Further, everything that we know and think pertains to this universe. Why? We have been built into the physics of this universe. We can understand no more than the understanding of the physics that makes us allows us to understand.

The fact that we can understand that there is something outside of this universe is something that shows us that we are tremendous beings. However, since we are beings of this universe, there is no way to conceive of "where" the new universe will be, because it will not be inside of this universe, and all we understand are things inside this universe. We can't understand things outside of this universe, because we don't think like that.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 16, 2015, 01:33:47 PM

If you carefully read the Revelation, you will understand that John is telling us about the war in Heaven. So if the war was actually happen in the Heaven between Archangel Michael and the Satan, then it is normal to be banished here on Earth. And if the Earth was before Paradise like God created it, now is Hell because he banish the Satan from Heaven...

The war in heaven is not the only thing that the Revelation talks about.

God banished Satan to earth, not to Hell.

Indeed, this universe and everything in it will be the Lake of Fire talked about in the Revelation. Yet, we are not experiencing the Lake of Fire, yet. The devil, his angels, the false prophet, and all the people who do not believe in Jesus salvation will be thrown into the Lake of Fire after our universe is converted into the Lake of Fire.

Jesus said that Heaven and earth will pass away. This means that these things that we know will become non-existent.

Revelation says that there will be New Heavens and a New Earth because the old one had passed away. John saw this new universe come down from God.

How much clearer can one be?

Yeah, that is completely true, but I must correct you... You have mentioned before Paradise and Hell and that is quite different from Heaven and Hell.

Plus, in Revelation John had visions directly from Christ and he see the New World, not the Universe. I think that you should re-read the Revelation and comeback with some new thoughts! John clearly speaking that they will be New World, New Heaven and New Israel. In other words, whole New Holly Earth where we will not have the sun, but instead of that the Supreme will be the Light for all of us!

"And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty.''

The war in heaven is not the only thing that the Revelation talks about.

God banished Satan to earth, not to Hell.

Mate, please read my posts carefully... I know that I have some problems with my English, but I am very clear in my words. I never mention that He banish to Hell, on contrary I sad that He banish him to Earth and leave us all to live with the Satan so we can taste the Hell here and discover what is the difference between good and bad. Wink

We already have the chance to live here like in Paradise, but know we should learn that we have to earn that if we want our salvation!