Quote from: BADecker on December 17, 2015, 02:28:51 PM

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 17, 2015, 01:36:34 PM

Jesus said that Heaven and earth will pass away. This means that these things that we know will become non-existent.

Revelation says that there will be New Heavens and a New Earth because the old one had passed away. John saw this new universe come down from God.

How much clearer can one be?

Yeah, that is completely true, but I must correct you... You have mentioned before Paradise and Hell and that is quite different from Heaven and Hell.

To the repentant thief on the cross with Him - Luke 23:43:

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Jesus answered him, I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.

Paradise is not Heaven. Heaven is where we will be after things are completed, if we are not sent to Hell, that is. Here is Paradise in the Revelation - Revelation 6:9-11:

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9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

10 They called out in a loud voice, How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?

11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 17, 2015, 01:36:34 PM

Plus, in Revelation John had visions directly from Christ and he see the New World, not the Universe. I think that you should re-read the Revelation and comeback with some new thoughts! John clearly speaking that they will be New World, New Heaven and New Israel. In other words, whole New Holly Earth where we will not have the sun, but instead of that the Supreme will be the Light for all of us!

Revelation 21:1:

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Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Btw, "sea" means the sea of unbelievers.

Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 17, 2015, 01:36:34 PM

"And I will be a father to you, And you shall be sons and daughters to Me," Says the Lord Almighty.''

The war in heaven is not the only thing that the Revelation talks about.

God banished Satan to earth, not to Hell.

Mate, please read my posts carefully... I know that I have some problems with my English, but I am very clear in my words. I never mention that He banish to Hell, on contrary I sad that He banish him to Earth and leave us all to live with the Satan so we can taste the Hell here and discover what is the difference between good and bad. Wink

We already have the chance to live here like in Paradise, but know we should learn that we have to earn that if we want our salvation!

I never said that you said, except when you did say.

If you really feel that living here is Paradise, then you have been very blessed in this life. There are many others wouldn't call this Paradise. But it certainly isn't Hell. If life gets too bad here, one dies. Hell will have no death in it... no escape.

As far as earning salvation, what is the salvation that we can earn? Describe what that salvation is? If it does not include living for a thousand years minimum, then it is not really salvation. I don't see anyone living for much over a hundred years these days. Are you going to make it to a thousand?

Paradise is not Heaven. Heaven is where we will be after things are completed, if we are not sent to Hell, that is. Here is Paradise in the Revelation

Heaven is above us and that is the place where will be when Christ come to judge the world. He will destroy the Satan together with his demons, then He will judge on humanity and only those with the scar on their head will be in Heaven.

9 When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained.

10 They called out in a loud voice, How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?

11 Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

Dude, the word Paradise is metaphor just like the word White Robe. The robe is the metaphor for the new body. The body of Light and eternal life!

Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

But, John never mention new Universe just like you say in your previous post... Wink

As far as earning salvation, what is the salvation that we can earn? Describe what that salvation is? If it does not include living for a thousand years minimum, then it is not really salvation. I don't see anyone living for much over a hundred years these days. Are you going to make it to a thousand?

Great! You finally ask the true question! Here is my answer:

The moment when you stop to fear of the death and know that trough Christ you will have eternal body(white robe or body of light) is the moment when start to walking the path to eternity. Wink