Quote from: SuperClam on December 20, 2015, 05:22:03 AM

Quote from: bytemycoin on December 19, 2015, 08:41:07 PM

Quote from: dooglus on December 19, 2015, 07:28:56 PM

Quote from: bytemycoin on December 19, 2015, 07:16:09 PM

As I understand it, the voting runs forever and is intended to give everyone feedback of what the stakeholders support. So we see currently 34% of the stake weight is voting to end digging, and 66% of it isn't.

I understand waiting a week or more however:
I don't get it. How can any fair voting system take into account those who don't vote? When you say "66% of it isn't" is that not an incorrect statement if it is intending to mean they are against petition 5afa074c? Even direct abstain votes does not mean they are against any specific petition.
So this is starting to sound like there has never been any intentions to act on what the greater clam voting community wants. Emphasis on "clam voting community". Those who don't vote, typically don't want a voice and as is in any truly fair voting system, they are not taken as part of the voting tallies. Else it calls to question the clamour voting system in general (or any voting system to take such an approach).
As for the developers and massive premines, that is a null issue. If this vote was never intended to be acted on, as it is becoming clear, and tallies are based on non voters...then we have exactly what the initial distribution has shown us: An unfair system that does not support the vast number of newcomers to crypto, rewards criminals who in the past have setup fractional reserve systems and scammed the greater BTC/LTC/Doge community. Exposes anyone who presently supports the greater clams community as we have recently experienced. To quote the old lady in the commercial "None of this makes any sense."
What really makes me smile is the moniker of "fair distribution"
This whole voting is...well,...a bit fishy. What am I missing?

Quote from: SuperClam on December 20, 2015, 05:22:03 AM

You are thinking in terms of 'voting'.
This is counter-intuitive and nuanced, but important: CLAMour is not a 'vote', but an expression of support.

Now we are making it clear to the community that it is but an "expression of support", with no actionable plan. Very new age! For that explanation I thank you. Let's state the obvious, rather the elephant in the room. Ineffectual by design due to the qualities of this coin (more about this below). With the added advantage for those who this rigged system favors. I hear you loud and clear so will others who read the thread and are frustrated by continual justifications for inaction.

Ironically, the voting (this magical way to express your feelings) came about when the larger community, those who cared (if you magically expressed yourself we can at minimum say you care) had been using this forum to express their desires to do away with a largely unfair system that discriminates amongst new comers, favors past criminals and exposes the very people who support the network to risk. No matter what the original intentions, that is the present day reality.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - Saint Bernard of Clairvaux

Quote from: SuperClam on December 20, 2015, 05:22:03 AM

Since we are simulating an update-triggered forking change...., Those users could then release an update, without approval, and feel confident that the update would gain consensus on the network.

Nice attempt to try and gloss over the reality of this coin, now lets bring out the elephant...Just-Dice wallets make this decision and you are smart enough to know that. You can use terms like "Fair distribution", "update triggered forking change" or "feel confident that the update would gain consensus on the network" but be aware, try as you may, the greater community is much more intelligent than you make us seem. Statements like those from a smart competent gal like you is condescending at best to those who know the reality. About 84% of the staking community are simply voting by proxy via Just-dice [don't quote me on the 84% as that number is dynamic and I have not recently run the math]. This may not have been by design but it is reality. It is as true if not truer (as it may be more powerful) then any given line of code in the coins protocol.

This reality makes it impossible for simply a community based update triggered fork change. Many may not like it but it is now part of the corpus of the coin

We can make up nice sounding terms and play cloak and daggers but the reality is clear. Of the voting community the majority already expressed what they want so lets not gloss over the issue. Unless things change substantially in the coins ecosystem your quote above is but a farce dream. You know it, I know it and the community knows it.

Now that we have cleared the air I will put on my best hippie cap and go chant my wants barefoot in the park. Another powerful way for one to express their desires.