Quote from: Rudd-O on November 12, 2012, 07:49:07 PM

Quote from: evoorhees on November 12, 2012, 04:39:01 PM

And before you say, "but tolls are so obnoxious!" you should know that, once again, private industry solves that problem via either pre-paid subscription models or RFID drive through tolls. In Dubai, the "toll booths" are just small structures that cross over the freeway. They scan a sticker in your car window when you drive underneath at 80 miles per hour. Easy.

Yes, tollbooths are shitty only when they're statist, because there's no incentive to make them not stupid and not slow. When you have voluntary customers, the last thing you want is to ruin their trip with delais.

Obviously never been on trains in England.

That said, I agree with the above. But unpicking "voluntary customers" brings up many issues around where situations are involuntary. Most state-vs-individual discussions seem to assume that people either act in accordance to their will, or forced to act against it by state forces. Sadly (or not) there are more powers in the world than the human race, which disrupts the notion of "voluntary will" on a day-to-day basis.

Where people are forced into a situation not because of will, nor of the state, should we be looking to a third model of institution, and therefore a third purpose of money? Or is all economic activity locatable along a 2-dimensional axis (heads/tails or vertical/horizontal in Dmytri's original article, IIRC)? Or is that a false dichotomy?

Genuinely interested in answers, as only really figuring this out as I go along.