Quote from: helloeverybody on December 24, 2015, 10:33:39 PM

Quote from: 1aguar on December 24, 2015, 10:13:57 PM

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 24, 2015, 10:00:04 PM

The most likely explanation for having a nde while brain dead is that the nde happened as the patient awakened and normal brain activity was returning.

Actually, that explanation is far from likely; it is actually impossible because of the simple fact that the patient cannot "wake up" or hallucinate until after blood flow is restored AND EEG activity returns. Therefore, if a patient who has a flat EEG AND no blood flow has a memory of a perception that happened before the restoration of blood flow, that perception is medically unexplainable.
Specifically, your explanation contradicts the evidence in the AWARE study where the patient was brain dead, had a flat EEG, perceived a sound, and was subsequently shocked; while being shocked, he still had a flat EEG and remembered feeling no pain, which is another indication that he was brain dead. Oxygen from CPR is not sufficient to wake up the patient, and this is a medical fact; you need to have blood flow to be conscious after brain death. His memory of veridical perception during brain death is medically impossible, and there are more documented cases of this type listed in the 52 points of evidence that I linked to.

I offered my proof; you can forget about BADecker; I have him on ignore. Take some time to educate yourself and do some thinking;
you have to think about the evidence because it contradicts the traditional humanist assumptions.

My proof is posted here, but it requires that you understand the implications of the evidence of NDE during brain death.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13320231#msg13320231

Since you have offered real evidence that can be scrutinised I will take some time to read over what you've said but obviously I will need to have a search about and look at evidence for both sides of the story. I will report back with my findings tomorrow probably. You never know, maybe I won't be able to find anything to disprove it.

It is only with great difficulty that anyone remembers anything from his early infancy. The reason isn't because these memories are not vivid. The reason is that later childhood or adult understanding is so extremely different from that of early infancy, that people simply don't recognize early memories when they entertain them.

The point? If there are any memories from a time when somebody was is brain dead, people would recognize them even less that they recognize memories from early infancy.