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Quote from: helloeverybody on December 27, 2015, 02:05:03 PM

Im not sure how you think i dont know the difference between religion and spiritual

That is because you are a rational atheist and a humanist, as described in the chapter called "What is Atheism" in Atheism and Secularity, Vol. 1.

Quote from: helloeverybody on December 27, 2015, 02:05:03 PM

ive read books on cases offering evidence suggestive of reincarnation etc although i still think these need to be taken with a grain of salt

I think you have had some time to do your research, so please answer me this:
Why should we view the results of the AWARE study with skepticism?

Is it not a documented case of perception and memory formation during brain death?

And what about the other people who have had NDEs involving veridical perception while they were brain dead?

I think you may have missed one of my previous posts, Its what i found when i searched for the AWARE study.

here you go

Quote from: 1aguar on December 27, 2015, 05:10:33 AM
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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 26, 2015, 01:56:56 PM
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Quote from: PrikiNo.1 on December 24, 2015, 01:32:25 PM

You didn't answer my question!! Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?? Smiley

Quite easily. the same way i can talk about werewolves,vampires,santa claus,tooth fairy,lochness monster,zeus,hercules,big foot,mermaids,minotaurs,krampus,trolls,the kraken etc. Ive not experienced any of those but i can be quite confident in speaking about them because they are all myths.god fits perfectly in with the others i mentioned. Do you suggest i dont speak of these since i have not actually experienced any of them? maybe they are all real?

Dude, we are talking about NDE, not myths! Please be patient and answer my questions and then I will answer yours... Smiley

By the way, do you think that there is a difference between a myth and legend? If Yes, please explain me. And don't forget that you should first answer my first question and then we can go on the second! Wink

Sorry i misunderstood your last question about how can i talk about something ive never experienced, I thought you were talking about experiencing god or jesus which a lot of religious people seem to claim not experiencing an NDE. Obviously ive not experienced god or an NDE. Even if i did though i might be convinced i went to heaven or wherever you go but that doesnt make it so. A convincing dream is still a dream. Id need to see whatever article or study you are using though before i can debunk it , I mean im no expert on NDE as i imagine you arent either and can only go by whatever study s have been done on them.

Why don't you try to debunk the AWARE study by proposing an alternative explanation for why a patient who has a flat EEG AND no blood flow is able to create a true memory of a perception that happened before the restoration of blood flow?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg13349586#msg13349586

I managed to find your study http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2014/10/aware-study-results-finally-published-does-not-prove-life-after-death/

Although it is interesting its not conclusive of life after death
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The AWARE study has not proven the case for NDEs or OBEs
, Dont get me wrong, I like reading about these things and it would be great if there was something after death but even if the aware study did verify NDE's that doesnt necessarily mean that there is a god