Quote from: djm34 on December 29, 2015, 09:16:34 PM

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Quote from: djm34 on December 29, 2015, 02:12:20 AM

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Quote from: djm34 on December 27, 2015, 05:36:29 PM

Quote from: bensam1231 on December 27, 2015, 01:40:19 PM

No one has released anything new in close to six months or so it seems. Everything that has been talked about here is old hat or the same epeen wars. Where you talk about how fast your super optimized miner is you only sell to a handful of really rich individuals.

Biggest improvement has come from Nicehash returning dividends with their paid bounty program, but that only applies to AMD.

I joined the Nvidia mining community because it was more open and forthright then AMD mining. That seems to have died out and turned back into the same shit as the AMD community. Nothing improves or changes. I still end up going back and mining Neoscrypt with ancient miners (that are definitely outdated). Donating doesn't do anything.

How would you know ? you never donated for neoscrypt, you just started mining it after I decided to release the source publicly.
Such an hypocrite Grin

You were paid by the feathercoin community. Why would I pay you for something that is already been paid for? You worked for commission. You're not in the same shoes as SP.

I never been paid by the feathercoin community not sure why you are always making things up, I opened an ANN for a crowdfunding campaign...
, but your excuse proves, I was right not dealing with you...

Yuh and who do you think is funding you? People NOT mining with Neoscrypt? What do you mine with Neoscrypt, oh yeah Feathercoin. Just shows you how inept you are at anything other then toodling around with kernel development... and that definitely includes economics, coin development, and, of course, business.

Sure you can drudge up a few other Neoscrypt coins with almost 0 volume, community, and buy support like UFOcoin that multipools hammer all the time, but as we both know (or maybe not) those don't matter.

each time I discuss with you, I have the feeling I am discussing with a complete moron, well so you won't be surprised to learn that my opinion didn't change with that message. Grin

I meant paid by the ftc devs (they didn't contribute in any way to the crowdfunding... ) only people wanting to mine ftc did pay for it
and apparently even 0.02btc (around 5euros at that time) was too much for you. Hence you are probably the most irrelevant person on that whole thread when it comes to business, donation and else.
Also since you mined ftc for quite some time that makes you a member of that community, hence as part of that community you didn't pay it either...

Uhhh... Yeah, that's the FTC community... And they already paid for your work. You worked for commission. Why would I pay you again for work you're already paid for?

If I should be paying anyone, I should be paying the people who paid you already. You don't get more money after charging someone for your work.

It'd be different if you continued to develop your work, like SP and offered continued support, however, you don't. Perhaps you should consider selling your improved FTC miner to the community... You know if you want to get paid again.

damned you are so good at spinning around a non argument... Grin

the truth, you were able to get the release for free because, I was generous Grin

, and quite frankly, seeing the crap you are pulling here, you make me regret to not have kept it semi-private...) and other people did the effort that sucker like you didn't (except, unlike you, they don't spent their time on forum asking devs for stuffs which usually don't make even sense for which you would probably never pay...

You mean I'm great at making a real argument and you keep trying to turn this into 'pay me again for work I already got paid for even though I'm not doing anything new'. Hey I know something that's similar to this, it's called a miner-fee! Only it's small manageable amounts miners have to pay whenever they use your service, instead of working for commission.

You weren't generous, you didn't give it away for free, you didn't charge a small amount of money, you charged pretty much what it was worth. They agreed to have it be open source. If they didn't, they wouldn't have paid you money. That's the way it works when you sell a product. There is the act of other people willfully purchasing it from you. If they don't agree or don't like it, they don't pay for it.

And I'm sorry if your self proclaimed 'trollie ego' gets bruised easily by someone making real logical arguments against your bullshit.

You want to get paid more, do more work. That's the way it works. You already have another version of Neoscrypt that's better, do another crowdfunding. I assume you charge more (which you even said in the crowdfunding thread) because more people are going to get their hands on it after it's sold, compared to selling to a hand full of people for less money.

Jeeze, hope Nicehash finds some new Nvidia devs soon. There are way too many huge egos and backhanded deals in the back alley kernel trades on BCT. It's impossible to find a legitimate business deal, let alone a bargain (yes I care about best prices too). A open market for kernels would change this as well, which has been discussed before.

Quote from: scryptr on December 29, 2015, 09:28:12 PM

Bensam--

Please, DJM34 asked for donations from ALL miners that might mine Neoscrypt. The Neoscrypt software was released prior to the Donation Goal being met. The link is still in DJM34's signature box, and you should donate your share. You say that you mine Neoscrypt. The account is still open, please donate.

The posts you make are antagonistic at times. Programmers need their due. --scryptr

P.S. I just flipped another 2 cents worth into the Neoscrypt pot. --scryptr

He already got paid.

You don't have someone work on your house for a set rate and then you pay them more a year later because you're still living in it and they feel entitled because it still works. He had a set price, he worked for commission. That was the deal. If I were to pay anyone, I should be paying people who already paid the commission, which were donors in the thread, as they basically bought the piece of software from him to make it opensource and I'm using what they purchased. That is what monetary goods are for... They're a payment for a service rendered. They already paid.

He hasn't offered more support or a improved version since it's initial purchase even though other people are definitely improving Neoscrypt (reducing the effectiveness of the miner he sold).

If he wanted or wants more money he should charge more when he released it, look at a gradual pay as you go payment model (like SP), or pay per use service model like a miner fee. I'm not going to pay someone for being a idiot just because they want more money or somehow feel 'robbed' that people are still using their software six months down the road. That was the deal. There are no take backs or going back in time to imagination land where he never got paid.

Here is the original thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=916336.0

Goal was set at 5BTC. He never mentioned how close or far over the goal he reached. We will assume he reached his goal because he released the code. Deal is closed.

This is like explaining business to grade schoolers (or people who are great at scamming others).

Quote from: djm34 on December 30, 2015, 12:09:55 AM

Thanks

although I wasn't really asking for donation just complaining against Bensam (who clearly talks more than he donates himself) Grin

(but I won't refuse them Wink

)
Actually I am in discussion with Nicehash, so will see...

Of course I do because talk is cheap (depending on how you value your time). Hence why you don't actually sell any products and instead talk. Why would I donate more then I talk oh expert of business? Will you release a better Neoscrypt miner or offer continued support? Oh yeah, no.

Hope Nicehash works out for you. But I'm sure six months done the line you'll be bitching about Nicehash not paying you enough money and how you feel entitled to more when Nicehash is still distributing something you helped write.