Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on January 14, 2016, 09:37:55 AM

It doesn't matter if it is growing. If the rate of growth is not at least 100,000 users in 12 months, then your efforts are entirely irrelevant to the world.

Really? Let's say it starts with 100 users and increases users by 10x every year. In the first 3 years it will still be below your 100k users, but after 7 years it reaches a billion users.

Saplings grow exponentially fast to be oak trees, but oak trees don't grow the moon. They rot and decay.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

That's approximately the same trajectory as Facebook. Yet for the first 3-4 years it seems totally irrelevant and too small to matter.

Aeon is not in the same category as Facebook. Facebook was invested in from the angel stage by Peter Thiel, JP Morgan, and the CIA. This was a planned world takeover.

Any crypto currency has to make its mark now in 2016 - 2017 or it is too late.

You seem to be clueless about the changes coming in 2017 to the global capital controls.

CoinCube is precisely spot on target, when he says the only defence against the 666 system coming is an economic one, meaning massive adoption.

I reliably estimate that you have reached precisely 0 retail-level users in the developing world with Aeon. And that is where the future and billions of humans are.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

This is totally hypothetical of course but it just illustrates that different trajectories can result in massive user bases.

Different categories entirely. Crypto currency has a very small window of time. Bitcoin will soon be centralized and ubiquitous and that is what we will be stuck with for the rest of our miserable lives.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

Personally I think crypocurrencies are facing bigger hurdles to user adoption than technology or marketing, which is that most users just don't have a use for them.

They don't have a use because we as app and website developers can't accept Bitcoin because no one has any Bitcoin!

It is a chicken and egg problem.

And the people who will really have a use for Bitcoin have none of it, that is the people in the developing world. Because they don't have any money. But the value of a currency is from use, not from initial capital of speculators.

There is only one way to get unstuck from this predicament and in a 1000 years you will never get there because you and none of you are even addressing the marketing issue at all.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

We are largely playing a waiting-and-exploring game

No you are playing a waiting and delusion while you fade away into irrelevance game of circle-jerking.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

until new killer apps develop or conditions in the world change

The killer apps will come once Bitcoin has been fully centralized so the TPTB feel safe to let it spread out to the entire world. Then the corporations will start using it in mainstream ways.

Or we can try to accelerate that if put the currency out there in million of users and let them get accustomed to using it. The electronic generation is the youth.

None of the crypto currencies are marketed to them, but I know how to! And they do everything electronic all day.

Kids in the west have less incentive because they have access to their parent's credit cards. But if the kids in the developing world lead, the western kids will follow because they will be jealous/curious.

It is time for the West to stand aside and be the tail instead of the dog.

Quote from: smooth on January 14, 2016, 09:49:40 AM

and make people want something other than traditional finance. The latter context existed in 2008 when Bitcoin was released but over the years has been largely lost. Trying to sell hard into a non-receptive market (which is almost the entire world right now) is a recipe for frustration, wasted resources, and failure.

I don't mean to discourage your enthusiasm for reaching a mass market. I certainly encourage you, I just don't share your (short term) optimism that there necessarily is a mass market to be reached.

There is no certainty in anything. The calculation is the miniscule cost of testing what could be a huge win.

Cripes if we don't have $25,000 invested in Aeon and Monero combined then please just all of us delete our BTC accounts.

Actually the test could be even $1000, but the real cost is the software development work that needs to be done any way and which you are not doing. You are working on the wrong things.'

Your coin and client couldn't get mass adoption even if the market was ready because you haven't programmed it the right way. So it is self-fulfilling prophesy for you to say there is no mass market. You are not even trying at all. YOu don't care.