Quote from: BADecker on January 19, 2016, 04:23:14 PM

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Quote from: BADecker on January 19, 2016, 03:41:28 PM

So you think that a person can have purpose outside of the universe? Since the person is in the universe, and the purpose is in the person, purpose is also in the universe.

Furthermore, since people are a product of the universe, and since people have enough intelligence that they can have purpose, the universe that made them has purpose as well. Why? Because nowhere in the universe have we found that complexity is ever made by something that is less complexity. On the contrary. Everything we have found shows that what is produced is at least slightly, bun mostly largely, degraded from what has made it (entropy).

This means that not only does the universe have purpose, but it has intelligence, as well. Such intelligence fits the definition that we have of God. Since an atheist denies God in the face of the fact that we know God exists, the atheist has a religion for himself.

Grant you, this is a simple explanation. If you flesh it out, you will see that it is entirely accurate.

You definitely don't understand anything.
First you confuse complexity and intelligence. It has nothing to see.

Actually, you don't understand anything well enough to understand whether or not I understand anything. This is proven by the fact that I wasn't mixing intelligence and complexity, but you seem to not be able to fathom this.

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

"Everything we have found shows that what is produced is at least slightly, bun mostly largely, degraded from what has made it (entropy)."
Totally wrong. It just means that energy naturally splits. Again you confuse intelligence to energy but they are not linked.

You have a long way to go if you don't know that entropy includes things wearing out and getting old and dying, as well as everything in the universe attempting to equalize throughout all time and space. Simple evaporation is a form of entropy-like operation.

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

"This means that not only does the universe have purpose, but it has intelligence, as well."
Wroooooooooooooooooooong...
So has we're made out of startdust, stars have intelligence? And a purpose too? Cause it's from that that we come... And as we evolved from monkeys, it means that monkeys have a purpose too?

You're not logical dude.

No, it is you that is not logical.

Again, consider that intelligence exists. What made it? The only way that complex things are made in the universe is that something more complex caused them to exist as they do. This is evident from the complex machinery that people make. People are way more complex than the machinery that they make. So, whatever caused people and their intelligence to exist, must be way more complex and intelligent than people. Such intelligence fits the definition of the word "God."

Wake up.

Do you believe that aliens exists?

Best regards.