Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

Quote from: BADecker on January 19, 2016, 04:23:14 PM

No, it is you that is not logical.

Again, consider that intelligence exists. What made it? The only way that complex things are made in the universe is that something more complex caused them to exist as they do. This is evident from the complex machinery that people make. People are way more complex than the machinery that they make. So, whatever caused people and their intelligence to exist, must be way more complex and intelligent than people. Such intelligence fits the definition of the word "God."

Wake up.

Ok I was a bit upset in my last post so I'll answer you in a more calm and polite manner. Sorry for my previous behaviour.

Thank you for your polite understanding.

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

I understand what you're saying. So I have an easy example to prove you're wrong:

What are you made of? Atoms. Elements, chimical elements. Where do they come from? Stars.

Except that it is not known that the elements that we are made of comes from stars. This is at best theory. It may be only assumption.

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

How are they made? It's EXTREMELY SIMPLE! An incredible amount of mass causes a huge pressure in a star and leads Helium and Hydrogene to fuse to form more complex elements.

Again, this is at best theory. When you look at the details of the Electric Universe Theory, you will find that electric universe details fit what we observe far better than fusion universe details do. See http://electric-cosmos.org/indexOLD.htm. The fact that fusion universe is "broadcasted" a lot more than electric universe, simply makes fusion universe more well known... not necessarily true.

In addition, while I don't have the links, there are several experiments that have been done, and videos that have been made of them, that show that the "rivers" on Mars are not water or liquid rivers. Rather, they match almost perfectly electric arc chasms, made by what would probably have been static electricity passed between near-world fly-bys.

Quote from: m0gliE on January 19, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

So here you are. It's wrong to assume that "The only way that complex things are made in the universe is that something more complex caused them to exist as they do." Everything is made from the smallest and most simple elements existing: Helium and Hydrogene.

As I said, you're confusing energy and complexity, for sure anything created contains less energy than what it's made of. That's the base of entropy. But it can be far more complex!

So as simple things can be combined in order to create complex ones, the rest of your reasonning is no longer true.

The complexity of complexity is indeed beyond our thinking for its complexity. We don't know for a fact that everything was made originally from hydrogen and/or helium. That is theory or assumption.

We don't know the complexity of the forces that combine simple things into complex things. The simple conversion of hydrogen into helium (fusion) is something that, in the past, we needed the complexity of an atomic explosion to accomplish. When we do it these days, in the laboratory, in extremely tiny operations, we need a whole lot of complex equipment to do it.

We have no factual evidence of simple to complex conversion without something more complex causing it to happen.