Quote from: TPTB_need_war on January 22, 2016, 03:51:44 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on January 22, 2016, 12:52:43 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on January 22, 2016, 12:46:40 AM

Quote from: Spoetnik on January 22, 2016, 12:42:31 AM

I can post the IRC log but it's long and rather pointless.

I personally would prefer to read the transcript than your one-sided summary of what transpired. Plz don't be offended. If you can't produce it, then it didn't happen.

I edited my last comment.. i re-offer my deal with you guys Wink

And i will see if i can dig up that IRC log and put it on paste bin or something maybe.
I didn't think anyone would want to read a looong argument between me and smooth Cheesy

EDIT:

The previously mentioned chat log with smooth from IRC 2 days ago..

http://pastebin.com/V5EUay2u

Some people just don't agree with you or your methods, not sure why you have to plaster 5 threads about it.

The comments from that transcript that stuck out for me are:

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[02:21] you know who else fucking donated to help support development? Huh

00[02:21] ifi wanted to bury your crew i would eh
[02:21] me, you idiot
[02:21] and most of the other developers
00[02:22] all i would have to do is compare you comments from round 1 to round 2
[02:22] out of our own fucking pockets

I believe the Monero/Aeon folks put a lot of their effort, time, and money into Monero. I sincerely feel empathy for them when reading that. I know from my own failures, how painful it is to have to admit that such enthusiasm didn't work out as planned. Being able to take the axe to the desks as I once did, walk away and start fresh is much more efficient than hanging on to the umbilical cord until the placenta has dried and shrivelled into shoe leather.

It is difficult for me to only feel empathy, because their entire overriding philosophy of dominating a sector by ~~stealing~~adopting Bytecoin's source code and then bashing in anyone's head who tried to argue that the model of socialism they were adopting for a business model was deeply flawed.

I have now come to the conclusion that these are guys who are smart in coding, and had some experience at running businesses or being contractors related to computer programming but when they hatched this braindead idea of Monero they were trying some idealistic fantasy and out-of-their-competency/experience level. Perhaps some of these guys have contributed to the Linux kernel or otherwise felt they understood open source development and could apply it here. One of the key differences from Linux is that crypto currency serves primarily speculators unless one invents a design to serve actual adoption markets. Linux was competing over the long-term with proprietary OSes and so many businesses had a compelling interest to fund and join in its development.

I have tried to explain to Monero that until they get an adoption market targeted to businesses (given they have no chance in hell of marketing directly to the masses, because their historical experience makes them unqualified), then they will not be able to apply the Linux business model and instead will be in this circle-jerk business model of greater fool, zero-sum speculation community morass that causes them to feel they need to ill-treat other developers and marketers such as myself. The brow beating and censorship on forums will never inspire great innovators to join them.

All-in-all I want to emphasize I don't dislike smooth. He helped me and has been enormously empathetic to my illness. I don't wish any ill will or outcome for him. I just have concluded that he and I have different areas of expertise and experience and so much so that it makes us incompatible when evaluating the best vision for running a crypto project.

The Monero Devs are developing the tech first, market second and are using the motto of "under promise and over deliver," whereas it seems you are working under the motto of "Over promise, say it's impossible and then move onto the next idea," which is still better than the dash motto, "Over promise and say you've got a better idea when most people figure out that you lied or can't deliver."