Part 2:
If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God? He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...

Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

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You can answer questions: you proved that.

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?

Best regards.
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Wisdom and science have proved themselves time and time again! Science is proved and reached higher THROUGH b]science[/b].

Do you believe the Molech?

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God? He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...

Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out

civilizations!

First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Second, God does not take life away where mankind has not thrown it away already. In fact, it is through Jesus God that mankind has

life on earth the second time. The first time mankind threw it away through the sin of Adam and Eve. God forgave them, and granted life

to them so that you and I and all the rest of the people can have life.

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and

the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

In the Old Testament, when people of nations turned away from God and were destroyed by Israel or God Himself, the idea was to make

Israel strong so that Jesus could come at the right time to do His saving work. Without the saving work of Jesus, those nations would

have not existed in the first place, would not have had a chance to live, and would not have had the chance to be saved. Their

destruction was a thing that they were asking for by their actions against God. He was simply giving them what they asked for, and

preparing the Jesus-way so that they could have life in the first place.

The point of all this is the example for you and all people. Are we going to be like the nations God destroyed? Or are we going to be

like the people He saves?

Notice that all people, both godly and ungodly, die. The whole idea has to do with the salvation to eternal life. The second thing it

has to do with is the avoidance of eternal damnation.

Your chances may not be over yet. You may not be locked into unbelief yet. Turn while you have a chance, before you lock yourself into

damnation through your death in this life. Once you die, you have no more chance to be saved, because you have no more ability to turn

and believe in Jesus salvation.

Even if you happened to be right regarding your honor, that you would not follow a God who was a murderer. What does it matter? You are

still stupidly clinging to your eternal damnation for the sake of honor? Is it worth it for what you consider to be honor? On top of

it, is it worth it in light of the fact that it might not be honor at all, but that you might be mistaken about what is honorable?

God created all. God sustains all. Mankind causes his own death by rejecting God, the only Sustainer of life.

God isn't a murderer? Really? Adam and Eve at first were immortals. Then God offered them the gift of death. And from that point on to

every living being. God has killed, kills, anw will kill anyone that was, is and ever will live on this Earth God is the greatest

killer.

Maybe some of us don't have the second life. Maybe we want eternal life here. Maybe we should have that choice. Not going to certain

death and be threaten that if we don't do certain things (some of which are not even bad) we'll go to hell. No praising God
? You go to hell. It's as simple as that.

"God created all." God destroyer of all.
"God sustains all." God killer of all.
"God, the only Sustainer of life." God the greatest killer ever was. Ironic how sinners cause their own deaths. But how about the

purest of people, that went above and beyond God's rules, and loved Him so much, why do they die?

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason? How could you claim that to be moral?

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How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and

the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances? NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's

heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually murdering the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen,

servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his

heart...

wtf is that about? God sounds like a real asshat in this story too...

It's a gama I tell you! God is bored and plays more and more cruel games!

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason? How could you claim that to be moral?

Haven't we just been talking

about the illegality of murder? Why do you ask such silly things? Even though my children are mine and my wife's as property, they are

God's, as well, because He gives the kids their spirit.

How long will you continue to twist understanding all out of shape?

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I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances? NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's

heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually killing the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen,

servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his

heart...

wtf is that about? God sounds like a real asshat in this story...

There God goes again. He hardens your heart. Why? Because you essentially asked Him to, simply by your thinking and actions. You saw

where it got Pharaoh. But you keep right on asking for God to do it to you, just like Pharaoh did.

You should feel relieved that God isn't trying to set up a nation of Israel next to you. He just might have to rain some plagues down

on you to show His glory to His people Israel. If that happened, you might forget all the many previous chances God gave you, simply

because of the pain of the plagues. Rather, God is merciful towards you, calling to you, a lost (almost lost?) child, hoping for your

salvation before it is too late for you.

So the Pharaoh wants to let the people of Israel free and God hardens his heart, because the pharaoh wants that? Is there any logic in

what you're saying? Because it sounds that you're just typing nonsensical words. God seems to be like a child. Do what I want or I'll

kill you!

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever Angry

I think this is somewhat the thing we are talking about.

God made everything. He maintains everything, even your life, and all the good opportunities and pleasures you have... as well as the

troubles, but He makes those bearable for you.

There is no way that any of us could maintain ourselves if we divorced ourselves from God. Without God, we would not have life.

Why are you so against God, since you yourself are a gift from Him to you? Doesn't seem to make sense for anyone to be against God.

"He makes everything bearable?" I've heard this stupid thing all my life. Everything is bearable until you die. No matter what happens

and how bad it is, until the point that you're not just dead, it's "bearable". Maybe it is, maybe it's not, but just because you're not

dead doesn't mean that it's "bearable"!
"you yourself are a gift from Him to you" - does this even have any logic? I mean I've read it 3 times but no it's nonsense.\

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever Angry

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

He made you. He gave you your spirit. He maintains everything so that you can go on living. He maintains your daily life. He offers you

salvation to eternal life through faith in His Son Jesus.

That's just blackmail, and I'll say no more.

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Murder is purposely killing a person. Whether or not you own that person is not in the definition - the only important thing is whether

or not the murder was "lawful".

God can't be left out of any of the picture. The whole operation of people dying is something

that happens in the process of God maintaining every little thing in the universe. His maintenance of everything includes giving us

death when we ask for it. This isn't the same as simple murder. Things are completely different from the God-standpoint than the man-

standpoint.

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 09:06:43 AM

If God exists and is omnipotent, or even only omniscient, it will obey no human laws and so if this God kills a person in a way that is

not allowed by the laws of a particular nation, it does so unlawfully. It doesn't matter that you think this God's law should have

primacy.

God's law is to not murder. The laws of nations come about because people are basing their laws on what God has set in

place... although often people mess God's perfect laws up when they don't consult Him first.

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 09:06:43 AM

Given the above (God exists, God is at least omniscient) then if a person's death results from this God's actions in a way considered

unlawful by a given nation, then that God has committed a murder in that nation.

Quite the contrary. God is maintaining life.

It is mankind who has brought death upon himself. However, since God controls everything, it is His doing that exercises mans' request

for death, be that request by voice or by action.

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 09:06:43 AM

Interestingly this means that God cannot commit murder in countries that have religious laws since I'm fairly certain they would by

definition exempt their God from any crime.

Here is where you fail in your thinking. God has prepared a day of resurrection for all people, where He will bring us all back to

life. At that time, he will separate the righteous from the unrighteous. The righteous are those who have believed in God for the

salvation offered through His Son, Jesus. The unrighteous are those who have not believed God, or have sought salvation by some other

method than Jesus even though they might have believed God exists.

You have a chance, now, by reading this writing. Come to faith in Jesus God before you lock yourself into unbelief by dying without

faith. after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation.

"giving us death when we ask for it". The only time people are asking for death is when they can't stand the pain and suffering of

life, which from your standpoint are all given to us by God. It's the same as with God hardening the Pharao's heart all over again.

Yeah - people can't consult God about the law because God doesn't show Himself. Why?

exercises mans' request for death" - well hear me: I don't want to die! I want to live forever!

"after all, once you are dead, you can't change anything about your situation." Really? Wasn't He the One who made the rules? And as He

is Omnipotent He can change them, right? People can't repent after death? Pretty convenient.

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever Angry

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

He made you. He gave you your spirit. He maintains everything so that you can go on living. He maintains your daily life. He offers you

salvation to eternal life through faith in His Son Jesus.

What does he do in my daily life? Never seen anything your god did for me... Is he responsible for anything happening in my life?

What? You can't see? I'm sorry.

Can you feel? You know, can your fingers feel the keyboard? Or do you dictate and someone else does the typing for you?

If you dictate, you can speak, right? And you probably can hear if you know how to speak, right.

God gave you all of this and maintains it in ways that you don't know how to. And it is the same for everyone else.

"maintains it in ways that you don't know how to." - ok, so how about itwhen man will be able to create life? To defeat death? Because

that's not far from now. What then? In what way will God fear us and stop us from advancing? Or will we become gods ourselves?

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Religions, the plague of the 21st century Angry

and the 20th, and the 19th, and the 18th...

Of every century my friend.

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First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first

place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Well, rather convenient isn't it?
I don't like the idea of being owned by a God or whatever Angry

Well, why being for him? What did he do for me? He has no influence in our daily life no?

He made you. He gave you your spirit. He maintains everything so that you can go on living. He maintains your daily life. He offers you

salvation to eternal life through faith in His Son Jesus.

What does he do in my daily life? Never seen anything your god did for me... Is he responsible for anything happening in my life?

This has nothing to do with your god.

It's only a question of biology and evolution... You claim your god is behind the evolution process?

Evolution!? Now, there's a joke. All the proven things that are called "evolution," can also be demonstrated to be "programming."

Presently, there isn't enough evolution fact around that shows how anything could have developed from scratch by evolution. And if

somebody DID happen to show an evolution process that had no holes in it, so that it was absolutely possible for something to have come

about by evolution, there is STILL no way to prove that this is what really DID happen.

Furthermore, nowhere in the universe have we found anything that is greater being produced by something that is lesser. There is much

scientific speculation about this. But it is not seen anywhere. In fact the opposite is the only thing that we see.

Everything has to do with my God... the God of creation.

Everything during hystory that was not explained and up to the point when it was explained was considered either magic or from God ar

other nonsense. Think about all the great discoveries that were made only in the last 100 years. We went from walking bearfooted in the

mud to the moon and beyond. We live in a Golden Age of discovery and we'll defeat soon even death. Then we'll be no longer blackmailed

with death and religion.

Quote from: organofcorti on February 02, 2016, 12:35:37 PM

That's special pleading. Either God follows man's laws or

does not. If you say that logic can take a break where God is concerned, then one can not have a logical discussion with you about God.

True words. When it comes to God logic is put aside, eyes are closed and reason is thrown out the window.

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This has nothing to do with your god.

It's only a question of biology and evolution... You claim your god is behind the evolution process?

So you're denying the idea of evolution?

Well I understand better xD
Evolution is not just a "theory". It has been proven through Darwin's experiments then verified by multiple different scientists. It's

through the evolution principles are the base of multiple scientific progresses.

How can I be denying the idea of evolution when I am talking about it? As usual, you are not thinking clearly. The idea of evolution

makes for fun thinking and stimulation. Think of all the science fiction stories that would never have existed if the idea of evolution

was not around. Besides, it's in the textbooks. I'd have to have been a hermit on mountain all my life to deny the idea.

The term "evolution" has come to mean many things to many people. Some of these might be truth. But many of them are not. Because of

this, when you say that evolution has been proven, you are wrong, except that you explain the particular definitions and applications

of the term "evolution" where it might happen to be exist factually. Darwin's experiments never came close to proving evolution. Even

Darwin, himself, doubted his own work. Read the things that he says.

"Evolution" as a principle where more complex life comes about from less complex life is completely flawed. Such a thing doesn't happen

in nature that anybody has been able to find. When a scientist creates evolution under laboratory conditions, it is complex life (the

scientist) making less complex material to become more complex material.

The evolution principle that over time one species of creature becomes a different species is completely flawed. There aren't any

missing links that can be proven such in the fossil record. People may theorize. People may hope. But in the end, there is no

proof.

The evolution principle that inorganic material became life is completely flawed. Not only is there no evidence of such happening, we

complex humans can't even make it happen in the laboratory.

So, what is your definition or application that is termed "evolution" that actually works?

So you're trying to prove your theory by using science fictions books? You did see the "fiction" part did you? But still, if you

actually want to use the sci-fi card, think about the many real life discoveries that have been made due to science fiction.

"where it might happen to be exist factually"? Make up your mind dude. Does or doesn't it exist?

The simple fac is that there are certain things that we do not understant. YET. But this situation repeated itseld in hystory countless

times. And science transformed magic into understandable reality for everyone.

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Evolution is a fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory#Fact

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biologist Richard Lenski says, "Scientific understanding requires both facts and theories that can explain those facts in a

coherent manner. Evolution, in this context, is both a fact and a theory. It is an incontrovertible fact that organisms have changed,

or evolved, during the history of life on Earth. And biologists have identified and investigated mechanisms that can explain the major

patterns of change."

Evolution has been verified by multiple branches of science...

The fossil record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

The genetic record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

The gestation record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

The medical record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet. (deprecated

organ systems like tonsils)

Evolution has been proven under laboratory tests and conditions:

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-watch-wasps-diverge-become-separate-species

What more do you want?!?

Logic excapes the grasp of his mind. He wants God Himself to tell him, through a divined-inspired writer that evolution is true.

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Evolution is a fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory#Fact

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Evolution has been verified by multiple branches of science...

The fossil record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

The genetic record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

The gestation record shows both short-term and long-term evolution in numerous species of creature living on this planet.

Evolution has been proven under laboratory tests and conditions:

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-watch-wasps-diverge-become-separate-species

What more do you want?!?

How can you talk about something (Science) if you don't know it?

Best regards.

You're not mentally reduced are you?
The man not only speaks in scientific terms (which if you don't understand is not his problem) but also gave you references, that would

be advisable that you read.

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How can you talk about something (Science) if you don't know it?

Once again, Science and Religion are polar opposites... religion has NOTHING to do with science... religion murders scientists,

burns their books and libraries... religion HATES science... what don't you understand here?

Religion pushes for non-truths to be taught in schools (intelligent design, etc)

Religion denies the fact of Evolution...

Religion is bigotry at its finest!... Religion condones slavery, homophobia, murdering your own children, etc

Religion HATES Science, facts, and reality!

Conclusion: religion hates real life!

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Evolution is a fact:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory#Fact

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Wikipedia can be edited by anybody.

None of the so-called evolution listings you listed is any more that pre-programming. It has been suggested to be evolution. The word

"evolution" may have been changed in meaning to cover the pre-programming. But it isn't evolution in the sense that there is

spontaneous random happenstance. Spontaneous randomness is completely against the fundamentals of all science.

Wasps changing, if it happens to be the truth, is pre-programming written in the DNA.

Btw, scientific understanding includes science theory. Theory is not fact. If it were, it would not be theory. Because of this, theory

must be considered to be fictional until it is proven to be fact. The point is, scientific understanding is partially fiction. Thus,

science is science fiction.

Jeez what twisted logic you have. That's why I can't talk with you religious nuts. First you make me mad, than you make me laugh.
Theory is science that's not applied yet. If I give you a recipe for bread (which is the theory of making bread) is it science fiction

until you don't actually cook the bread? Use your brain! Don't let it ba a sponge for other people's garbage.

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How can you talk about something (Science) if you don't know it?

Science comes from Wisdom which comes from the Fear of the Lord.

How do you understand Science without Wisdom?

What religion are you talking about?

Best regards.

Enough with the rhetorical non-sensical questions. It doesn't help.

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This has nothing to do with your god.

It's only a question of biology and evolution... You claim your god is behind the evolution process?

Well... I don't know if you ever tried to read anything about evolution... Seems to me you didn't. Otherwise you would know that

evolution is largely proven, that we managed to list each and every species in a precise evolution order and that everythin matches

with such perfection that it would be incredible that this theory is flawed as you say.

But that means you believe humans were created the way they are now? So that we didn't evolve from a common ancestor with great apes?

And when was the humanity created?

Not only that, but I even read "Planet of the Apes" book, saw the movie, saw a couple of the sequels, and read the some of the papers

on evolution. Actual papers on evolution only suggest that evolution might be fact. Much media says it is fact. Have you seen it in

"Enquirer?"

Oh wait! He's seen the ape movie! Now that must be true enough to convince him. I mean all this scientific evidence and he's convinced

by a movie... (I was about to ask the Lord for strength but then I stopped myself).

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Watching you argue about fact of evolution is like watching a Christian try to argue that the bible is historically accurate...

Wherever you got your "facts", they are 100% wrong...

Do you think its a conspiracy that 99.9% of scientists accept evolution as a fact?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Level_of_support_for_evolution

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/02/creationism-america-survey_n_5434107.html

Anyone can edit Wikipedia. And you haven' figured out that the media is there for sensationalism, yet?

You do see that out of those 6 links, just one is from Wikipedia, right?

Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 08:42:26 PM

Quote from: Moloch on February 02, 2016, 08:41:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 08:40:16 PM

Since you are unwilling to look at the facts, but would rather believe the media lies and exaggerations, you will probably feel quite

comfortable in your atheism and evolution religions. Ostrich with head in sand feel comfortable, too.

The problem is... 99.9% of scientists accept evolution... why would I listen to the 0.01% who deny it? Why do you listen to that

rubbish?

No. The humor is that you seem to think that 99% of scientists accept evolution as truth.

Cheesy

There are two points in that phrase: the "99%" and the "scientists".
That should be enough.

Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 09:25:56 PM

Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 09:17:05 PM

So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Standard science maintains a law which is cause and effect. Everything operates through cause and effect. There is nothing that doesn't

operate by cause and effect.

The complexity of the universe is self evident.

Entropy is a universal force(?) that attempts to equalize everything. There is no reverse entropy anywhere that we know about.

When you combine the three things, cause and effect, complexity, and entropy, the only way that the universe can exist is that it was

made by intelligent design, by some Intelligence that fits our dictionary definitions of the word "God."

This brief explanation doesn't explain the attributes of God, except to say that He/It is extremely powerful, and way more intelligent

than we are.

You're disproving yourself again. It's funny to watch you do it.
Entropy is a universal force. If it's a force "that attempts to equalize everything" then what is it fighting for? The simple

fact that you call it a force demojnstrates that there is a counterforce.

Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 09:56:44 PM

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Quote from: BADecker on February 02, 2016, 09:25:56 PM

Quote from: Holdaaja on February 02, 2016, 09:17:05 PM

So because you think there isn't enough evidence to prove evolution you decide to trust in god which has even less evidence? Why?

Actually, part of the scientific proof for the existence of God is some of what destroys evolution.

Wait, what?!? Science has proof for the existence of God?!? This must be a breaking news story from every media outlet on the

planet... why haven't I heard of this?

Wouldn't do you any good. You wouldn't understand it. But if by some chance you happened to understand, you would fight it

intentionally, just like you are doing now.

He's going in reverse mode again. Dude. Now's the time to show him, all of us that you're right. You seem to have the proof AND out

undivided attention.

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Quote from: btvGainer on February 02, 2016, 10:03:07 PM

There's a God and we do not need science to prove His existence to us

This is true. The idea is to show atheists that God exists in language they understand, before they die in their sins. Obviously, many

of them will simply pull back into their shell rather than seek God and a joyful eternal life in Heaven. But a few of them will turn.

And many border-line Christians will see how God truly DOES exist, and will be strengthened in their Christianity.

How did you choose to believe in christianity in the first place?

I heard God's words from the Bible. The Holy Spirit worked faith in my heart. I happened to not be one of the obstinate ones who was so

stubborn that I had the ability to resist the Holy Spirit. Rather, at that time I was weak in spiritual strength.

Perhaps my obstinacy has grown. Perhaps if I didn't see the logic of God now that I have experience with Him, I might resist Him along

with the atheists.

Then let God work faith into your heart, and let us atheists have science work it's wonders in ours. We'll leave you alone, and we just

ask that you do the same and stop knocking on our doors saturday mornings at 7 o'clock when we're sleeping after a hard night of

science.
Jeez, I mean you don't see atheists stopping people in the street trying to convince them they're wrong. We'd like to ask you the same

courtesy.