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You guys need to lay off, he is just an affiliate.
It's not his fault and there is nothing he can do about it even if he wanted to.
He can't do anything about what you are complaining about.
He's far from the only one promoting Betcoin.
I don't think you understand how affiliates work. He's not a site representative.[/i]

I dont think you guys underestand Betcoins Business model. I think it's safe to assume that Xiao receives a MAJORITY of revenue generated by those he can convince to sign up through him.

It's his decision how he chooses to convince players to sign up. This is why regulated markets often do not allow affiliate models, and those that do regulate the affiliates as well as the players and brands/networks.

Just because he was able to work out a deal with Betcoin where he receives more poker revenue than any other affiliate, doesn't mean he is more trustworthy. In fact, he's proven over the last few pages of this thread that he should not be trusted by making decisions that would violate any Business' code of ethics.

Failure to be completely transparent to the players who sign up under you, and also the bran/network is unethical.

Making deceptive comments like:

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The rake did go higher briefly but was corrected.

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the current rake structure is still the industry's finest and the rewards are unbeatable!

Is unethical (and really fucked up imo)

Dismissing the evidence I have presented simply by saying "I disagree with you" is unacceptable and (you guessed it!) UNETHICAL.

Dodging or denying issues involving Betcoin keeping funds they shouldn't or outright ignoring them, unethical.

Quote from: wilfra on February 08, 2016, 11:02:52 AM

Ok, so go to Amazon.com, Google and Facebook and complain to them about all the shady companies selling things on their platform. You won't, though. You'll just harass this affiliate. He's far from the only one promoting Betcoin. But you don't care, because he's right here and has no choice but to listen to your complaints. You want to extract a pound of flesh from someone, anyone.

Not sure what makes you so confident about what Im willing to do, care about or want? What do you think posting on Amazon or Facebook would accomplish? Online poker is a small niche, online poker for Bitcoins is a fraction of that I don't know where to post that it wouldn't fall on mostly users who had no interest in Bitcoins or Online poker. If you know of any facebook groups or places within amazon that you'd suggest let me know please.

If you think I'm glad Xiao is behaving like this, I'm not. He's enabling Betcoin to behave the way they do.

There's far more to this story than just the over rake, and trust me - I haven't just posted in this thread.

I've gone to pokerfraudalert.com and started THIS THREAD

Which resulted in the owner, Todd Wittelles, doing a segment on the weekly Poker Fraud Alert Podcast. You can listen to it HERE (it gets around 1,000 downloads a week)

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12/2/15 - Colluding, customer service coverups alleged at bitcoin poker room "Betcoin".

Here are some reactions from the pokerfraudalert.com forum (in case you dont want to click the link yourself)

The owner of ProfessionalRakeback.com, an affiliate site:

Todd Witelles, the owner of PokerFraudAlert.com:

To show his credibility, here's a snip from his wiki:

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Witteles was a victim of the Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet "Superuser" cheating scandal. He and several other online players took part in uncovering and proving the cheating. This attracted enough media attention to where it became the subject of a story on the TV news program "60 Minutes", where Witteles was featured. The episode aired on November 30, 2008.[6] Witteles appeared on the front page of The Washington Post about the same matter.[7] On December 16, 2009, he appeared on CNBC to discuss the cheating. In the CNBC special, Witteles claimed that legalization and regulation of online poker was necessary in order to prevent future cheating scandals. He also appeared on a Blu-ray Extra attached to the movie Runner Runner, entitled House Of Cards: The Inside Story of Online Poker.[8]

In March 2008, Witteles was selected among eight other top online poker players to participate in ESPN's "Online Poker Think Tank."[9] In 2009, he was a guest broadcaster on ESPN360 for the final table of a World Series of Poker event.

Dooglus (Highest Default Trust Level on this site - not sure exactly how that works but seems worth mentioning) explaining what I'm trying to do better than my own explanation:

I have alo gone to twoplustwo (the poker version of bitcointalk) you can read check out that thread HERE

Some responses from random poker players:

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Anyone who claims to be DDOSing another player, whether true or not, should be perma-banned from ever playing online poker again. And anyone who works for a poker site that thinks that apologizing is enough for threatening a DDOS attack, should be perma-banned from ever working on an online poker site again.

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Ive dealt with andrew before and was pretty rude really quickly when I didn't figure out or he wasn't understanding the problem I was having. Started saying I wasn't paying attention to what he was saying and therefore couldn't help me if wasn't willing to listen.

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the collusion thing was amazing. they simply confiscated money, unbanned cheaters after a week or two ( so they could play in the "ANTI-Collusion-Freeroll lol) , didnt refund any1 and kept the funds. just ignored the according thread and the players, that were asking for updates

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I stopped playing on there when one if their support guys treated me like garbage. It was laughable how unprofessional they were.

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So they let blatant colluders/cheaters carry on playing and even returned some money to them? I hope this site dies a slow painful death and the owners lose lots of money... anyone who plays there is an idiot.

Is there anywhere decent to play bitcoin poker?