Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on February 08, 2016, 11:20:11 AM

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Ah we have ArticMine the Malthusian who apparently religiously (irrationally) subscribes to the fable tale fraud of AGW and r0ach the Mathusian who doesn't appear to be aware that we can grow more food in our basements than we need:
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This misses the crux of the problem. Why would we grow food in our basements if we do not need to? The biggest problem with hunger today is not lack of food production but massive food waste and poor food distribution. The choice here is not between depleted oceans and starving people, the real choice is between depleted oceans and not wasting food.

r0ach stated he is concerned about an insufficient supply of suitable farmland, and the information I linked to pointed out that we can grow food at 10X or more higher densities (on a yield basis) and without pesticides. Note this can be done at scale so not every person has to do it.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

Your comments about me being a Malthusian relates to me pointing out the massive waste of perfectly good electronics, most of which are produced in China, in order to satisfy the DRM wants of organizations such as the MPAA.

No I was referring to your implied belief in man-made global warming (AGW), since you mentioned "greenhouse gases".

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

The link between attempts at intellectual property protection and ewaste, become clear when one finds out that one has to buy a whole set of new electronics just to support the new DRM for 4K Video, just as people had to replace their electronics just to support the previous DRM for HD video. Buy the way the new 4K video DRM has already been cracked, http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/hackers-pirate-netflixs-4k-streams-for-the-first-time/ so now we throw out our electronics and buy yet again a new set?

I am not arguing for DRM hardware nor the corrupt aspects of the corporate music and video industry. DRM can always be cracked, because only end-to-end communications between loyal ends can remain encrypted.

You conflated my desire to help indie musicians get paid, with your claim that would require DRM. I disagree. My point was about State enforcement of copyrights by regulating Hosts and ISPs. Thus precisely my point is the decentralized file system protocols will be banned by regulation because those decentralized systems can't enforce (comply with) copyright.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

If we stop this needless waste we can have both the pristine forest and the SUVs, with both sides of the "tree hugger" debate in harmony.

Only the Invisible Hand knows what is waste and what is necessary along the way of annealing the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Communists wolves in decentralized-sheep-skin think they are omniscient.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

Another example: Of course distributed storage is incompatible with preventing copyright infringement. It really does not matter if the distributed storage consists of a crypto currency based or solution or people storing the information on 5.25in floppy diskettes and sharing the diskettes with each other via sneakernet! Don't copy that floppy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI The only way to prevent all copyright infringement is to create an Orwellian super state where every bit of information is closely controlled by big brother and every digital device behaves like the Telescreens in 1984. By the way current devices such as Apple's IOS devices and Microsoft's ARM (Windows RT/Mobile) devices meet all the surveillance and control specifications of the Telescreens in 1984. They are also somewhat effective at "protecting intellectual property".

Note I had also stated an algorithm for sameness (i.e. algorithmically detecting infringement, and if invented) and a blockchain of who is first to claim ownership, could in theory replace the need for the State to enforce copyright. I also suggested having the decentralize file system respect an ownership signature that resolves to an active URL, so the blame can be placed on a URL that can be served the copyright infringement case. If the URL goes down, the decentralized file system revokes the files.

Absent the algorithmic solution I have proposed, the Orwellian state is unavoidable and so pursuing decentralized file storage (without the aforementioned blame feature) is a fool's direction. Ideology aside, because reality is paramount.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

The fundamental reality here is that protection of intellectual property is at a very basic level incompatible with both:

You have not proved that. You are not omniscient. You are injecting your ideological delusion into a claim without proof. I explained above how intellectual property is compatible with freedom and decentralization if we invent the necessary algorithms to replace the role of the State.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

1) A free and democratic society where people enjoy personal freedoms and civil liberties

Representative democracy will forever be an insoluble lie.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

2) A clean and sustainable environment.

Non-sequitor.

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

Edit 1: In order to protect "intellectual property" effectively, the Orwellian super state would also have to destroy the world natural environments and replace them with wastelands of discarded electronics.

Wrong as explained above. Also it is ludicrous to assert that only electronics are causing environmental degradation. And please unconflate that environment degradation is an orthogonal issue to (the erroneous but alleged) AGW (allegedly caused by greenhouse gases).

Quote from: ArticMine on February 08, 2016, 11:33:54 PM

Edit 2: Anonymous crypto currency such as Z.cash or its competitors will make enforcement of "intellectual property rights" even harder than it is today. So one may as well accept reality and change business models that belong in the 19th century rather than try to fight technological change.

Incorrect. You are not omniscient.

In theory the aforementioned algorithm can run and be verified in zero knowledge with zk-snarks.