Quote from: TPTB_need_war on February 09, 2016, 12:57:58 PM

Quote from: smooth on February 09, 2016, 12:53:07 PM

Quote from: Come-from-Beyond on February 09, 2016, 12:50:21 PM

Quote from: smooth on February 09, 2016, 12:42:52 PM

To censor, he has to orphan other miners' blocks that do include the transactions. That is visible.

This requires to assume that we all see and believe this. Right now chinese speculators can bribe a small pool to generate 10 consecutive orphaned blocks and start spreading FUD that someone tried to attack Bitcoin. With intention to buy cheap coins.

Wow, such horrible logic.

You can not know an attack did take place, because the forks could be a ruse, yes.

But you can know that an attack did not take place because there is no such fork anywhere in existence.

Unless you believe that all miners are colluding. I don't believe that. Even then, censorship would leave the censored transactions in the mempool.

@TPTB you are falling into the same logic trap as CfB. Proving an attack is not the same as proving the lack of an attack.

But...we certainly can't know there won't be an attack tomorrow, or the day after, or any other time. That is not only true, but clearly implied by the wording of the white paper.

People need to decide whether they can live with that risk or not.

Sorry smooth. You are going to be embarrassed this time. Get ready.

Hint: mempools prove nothing.

You should have read my Decentralization thread. Obviously you did not.

Mempools only prove nothing if nodes are also conspiring. Someday when (maybe) there are only mining nodes, that might be plausible. Today it is not.

It comes down to

Where's the fork

Show me the fork

If we don't see forks, then there is no majority of CPU power colluding to censor transactions. It doesn't exist. (Unless all miners are part of the collusion, which they are not.)

Also, if there are no forks, then there is no question about "which chain is the 'honest' one" because there is only one chain.

Deviations from this are (at present) easily explainable by propagation.