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Nicely stated. Very good! Now see if you replace The Big Bang Theory (which is also a great show btw) with God and see how the pieces fall exactly the same way.

Scientific laws that, when combined, are proof for the existence of God:
1. Cause and effect;
2. Complex universe;
3. Universal entropy.

1. Cause and effect; - you don't have cause for God. 1st down, two to go.
2. Complex universe; - yes it is, so are other universes. 2nd down, one to go.
3. Universal entropy. - we evolved from simpler lifeforms. Complex systems can form from less complex systems, or they can form from more complex into less complex. 3rd down.

1. God exists outside of the area where cause and affect apply to Him. Cause and effect are creations of His that apply to this universe. They help us to see for a fact that He exists.

2. If there are other universes, they are completely different than ours. If they weren't, they would simply be extensions of ours. If other universes exist, they were created by God, and in their own way lend credence to God in the same way that our complex universe does.

3. Evolution is not fact. Cause and effect says that things were programmed. Therefore, complex things that came from simple things were programmed by Something even more complex than it all. Because of this, complex doesn't really come from simple.

How retarded can you get? Keep on showing us.

1. You are proving that he exist and you are assuming he exist (outside of our universe) and rules of your proof do not apply to him. Does this make sense to you?

2. You are not getting it. Complexity of OUR universe has no correlation on the existence of God. You assumed there is a correlation.

3. It is pretty close to a fact. Physical evidence is overwhelming. DNA testing makes it practically a fact.
Again, you are injecting God creation into proving that he exists with your 'programming' argument.

You have to start with an assumption that he does not exist, AND then reason based on the evidence that he exist.

Not assume that he exist and look for evidence that he created the world to prove that he exist. Your efforts are pointless because you already assumed he exists before you even started your 'proof'.

int godExist = false;

if (!godExist) {
// oh shit he does exist
// repent, give all your money to church etc.
} else {
// yeah, I was right, I could not find any evidence for his existence
// burn the Quran, light it with the bible.
}

The highlighted red above is about right. Religion like anything else now a days is a business not something to believe in. The last time i went to church all I could hear was donate donate donate. Mormons seems to be the worst when it comes to taking money. Most places they do not even have a church. They set up in a hotel or something like that and still collect money.

Religion is a business anymore. The ones with the worst attitudes are the Caholics. I just love when they talk about not judging other and the first time someone does something wrong they are the first to judge. They always seem to be so contradictive. If anyone wants atheists to believe give them proof. And I dont mean a book either. Or artifacts that could have belonged to anyone back in the day.

Know what is funny about alot of this? There were old inscriptions found on cave walls, writings in some of the first books, clay tablets that had inscriptions on them. These objects were found all over the world from all different cultures and sometimes thousands of years apart. Do you know what all of they pictured and inscribed about?

Aliens. They all pictured UFO shaped objects and people will long bodies. Maybe these are the gods everyone is talking about. There is more proof that Aliens exist then there is that god exists. Yet everyone looks to a god that may be something that most people do not believe in.

What if all you Christians found out that it all was a lie? What would you all do then? Turn what they call Evil?

This is why we Christians are so thankful that God has left proofs about Himself that can be found through modern science. We don't have to worry about God not being true. We can focus on His attributes, and let the false religions, or the money-monger religions, enslave the non-scientific masses.