Quote from: SLok on December 08, 2012, 03:00:20 PM

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Quote from: SLok on December 08, 2012, 02:05:35 PM

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BFL used to assist them in this, just until very recently, they no longer do.

It's THEIR business, not yours. They can do WHATEVER THE FUCK they want in regards to shipment resells.

What's so hard to understand?!

A lot, that's why he started with "[Speculative post]". Or fits "probably" and "highly unlikely, but...." in every second sentence, or similar words. "bfl asic roi takes forever", show the calculation it doesn't and you get "I'll get back to you", or some similar escape, and never see him back . So save yourselves a lot of time, there's an ignore button under every user's name.

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@ Slok/Dob

I am looking at your sigs and that pretty much says it all to me. Dob is freaking out, reason unknown.

@ Slok

To officially get back to you. The charts that were kindly posted [by another user on BitcoinTalk.org] roughly showed (assuming I read it right?) that an Avalon ROI was in about 2.5 months.

Though that seems like good news. I am very skeptical until I see the actual real world numbers. Some people are optimistic and other are not nearly as optimistic. It depends what the conditions ultimately are when you get your preferred device. I am the type of person who assumes the worst, but hopes for the best.

Now that I have gotten back to you on that, you can't hold it over my head any longer. Your view of ROI is optimistic. Mine is pessimistic. Hopefully we can agree on that much.

You are talking about organoforti's charts, before that I showed a 60watt Single even making profit/making power cost back at 1000x difficulty, organoforti showed it even gave one at over a billion times! A 400watt unit stops giving roi/making power cost back around 150x increase. About 6 times less.

From what I saw on the chart, it's true what you claim. (assuming we both understood the chart correctly?)

The chart shows that the divergence between rigs really starts at about 2.5 years from now.

At which point the operating cost becomes relevant because the devices cost as much as they produce. (sort of like an equilibrium being reached). If I recall the charts colors from memory, they implied that BFL's device has a life span of about 6 more months than that of the Avalon. (marginal profit of course)

So taken into that context, its not the rainbows we see painted for us in the sales pitch. But there is a rainbow in there...somewhere.

Quote from: SLok on December 08, 2012, 03:00:20 PM

My sig, btw, is a lottery ticket for the weekly draw for a free little Single. Do you really think my tone or content of my posts would differ without it? Does your avatar stops you from making sense? (Now I'm not saying you make any, most of the time my opinion is you don't! Grin

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Well, you do have a point. My avatar does not enter me into any contests. I don't get any free stuff promised to me by a vendor at the end of the week.

Nor has Avalon ever promised me any incentives (unfortunately).

Do you think if I entered into the contest for a BFL little Single Josh would allow it? I technically no longer qualify as a human being you know!

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As for whether your tone would change if you did drop out of the free lottery, I unfortunately do not have any idea. I can only assume a free device may change your opinions and bias, but I do not know that for sure. (people are different from one another)

If Avalon had a raffle I would probably be in it. Would I talk about them any better than say Tom? I dunno. Does talking about a company shadyness disqualify people in these contests? I ask them (Avalon) the same questions (or intend to) as I ask Josh or that of Tom.

They [Avalon] are kind of tame in their responses though. Not nearly as interesting or inventive. Not much in terms of rebuttals, scathing attacks or anything like that sort. They just answer the question and seemingly don't change their story every month.

They are pretty boring folk now that I think of it.