Quote from: monsterer on February 17, 2016, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on February 17, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

monsterer w.r.t. to the underlined, I grow very weary of you subjecting all of us to your pretending you are some sort of expert.

I have no idea why you can't comprehend what I already explained:

What you are saying makes no sense at all.

That is uncivil accusation against your Professor.

No. As usual when you fail to understand what has been written, you fill a thread with your nonsense and you refuse to grasp your mistake even after it has been explained to you over and over and over again.

Sorry I can't tolerate this any more monsterer.

I guess this is an example to me of why very smart people don't work on very complex projects with people who are not smart enough to work efficiently. I don't like to look down on others, because I hate when others do that to me. Normally I would prefer to respond pretending I am your peer and not desiring to gain any perception from readers otherwise. But I don't know how else to react your repeated insistence to force your inability to comprehend new concepts on everyone else. I would think you might be embarrassed enough from other times where you eventually realized I was correct, to go take some quiet time and try to figure out your mistake. The problem is you think I am wrong and your lack of respect for my superior expertise, is where your noise problem originates. I don't mean that to be condescending nor uncivil. Rather I just wish you would get in touch with reality. Let me demonstrate this reality to you again as follows...

Btw, I like questions. But I also like when the person asking, actually tries to understand and think what I meant rather than just deciding to view it in only one way. And declare the Professor wrong.

Quote from: monsterer on February 17, 2016, 10:18:20 AM

There are two possibilities as I see it:

1. Invalid transactions arrive in the hands of the block producers. This implies the network as a whole has failed because invalid transaction should not be propagated.

2. Block producers produce blocks containing invalid transactions due to lack of validation. Their blocks will be orphaned by block producers which do validate, which is a net loss for those who don't, forcing these SPV miners out of business and causing centralisation.

#1 does not apply because the design is such that validation is split between partitions. This has been explained to you numerous times! #1 would be a design without partitions and where every full node verifies every transaction, which obviously can't scale decentralized and which due to economics that I explained will always end up centralized. It is a dead design. Bitcoin and Nxt (which is now run by a dictator) have proven these designs end up centralized as I predicted in 2013 (back when people like you said I was loony).

#2 is why the design for partitioning (or delegation of validation) has to maintain a Nash equilibrium, meaning the requirement that there exists no game theory advantage for partitions (or delegates) to lie about their validation. This point about Nash equilibrium has been explained to you numerous times!

Quote from: monsterer on February 17, 2016, 10:18:20 AM

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on February 17, 2016, 08:25:54 AM

Note in case it wasn't clear from my upthread posts, strict partition (no cross-partition transactions) for crypto coin (i.e. asset transfers) maintains Nash equilibrium. But cross-partition transactions for asset transfers does not maintain Nash equilibrium (unless using a statistical check as I am proposing for my design, and some may think this is dubious but my white paper will make the argument for it). And strict partitioning for scripts can't exist, because the partitions are violated by external I/O.

I don't agree with this assessment either. In a partitioned system which requires a cross partition transaction, this new transaction merges the two partitions; it places a ordering constraint on both partitions which forces the new transaction to be located after the two points of dependency (both parents).

Are you fucking blind?

Let me quote again the part that renders your underlined complaint irrelevant:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on February 17, 2016, 08:25:54 AM

Note in case it wasn't clear from my upthread posts, strict partition (no cross-partition transactions) for crypto coin (i.e. asset transfers) maintains Nash equilibrium. But cross-partition transactions for asset transfers does not maintain Nash equilibrium (unless using a statistical check as I am proposing for my design, and some may think this is dubious but my white paper will make the argument for it). And strict partitioning for scripts can't exist, because the partitions are violated by external I/O.

Why can't you read and comprehend what you are reading! Fuck man. It is very frustrating to deal with someone like you who can't even add 1+1 together to realize what is being said.

The point is that in the cases where Nash equilibrium is maintained, then there is no lying which renders the block invalid.

The case of strict partioning which I explained upthread does not cause the block to be invalidated if the partition lied (and I think I explained in my video too)! Did you forget that again. Do I need to go quote that upthread statement by me again! Because the partitions are independent, thus a partion can be invalidated without needing to invalidate the entire block (i.e. the next block corrects the partition in the prior block by providing a proof-of-cheating).