Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 04:33:23 PM

You have the same evidence for God as young kids have for Santa Claus.

You're comparing a belief in something that is known to be untrue, and something that is unknown to be untrue.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 04:33:23 PM

What did God give you?

Free will, 'Pain, misery, wars, stake burning, chopping hands and feet, stoning, chopping heads off, etc.' are a direct result of said free will.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 04:33:23 PM

There is no Santa Claus just like there is no God.

The existence of Santa Clause can be dis-proven, but the existence of God can only be speculated.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 04:33:23 PM

God is the most vengeful, hateful, masochistic, misogynistic being ever invented by a human mind.

You're right, God is all things including loving, forgiving, and righteous; Anything the human mind can imagine was put there by God.

Quote from: designerusa on February 17, 2016, 06:46:06 PM

bible, koran and any other religious stuff says illogical things not just bible but if someone believes these sayings of bible or other stuff's , we should respect to them..

This guy gets it.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 06:47:44 PM

Should I also respect someone who believes in unicorns, Zeus, Santa Claus, and the Tooth Fairy?
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I draw the line with respect, when someone loses touch with reality... and then tries to force their delusion upon me

You already respect those people, and tolerate their traditions year after year. Matter of fact, their delusional belief of these lies have already been forced upon you, I assume you probably partake in their rituals.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 06:50:45 PM

I became Atheist reading first few verses when he created Earth in the dark, then created plants before creating the Sun and the Stars.

A plant can be created without it growing; seeds can sprout in darkness. Besides, you got that verse twisted, read "whose seed is in itself", meaning it hasn't grown yet.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 06:52:29 PM

Just ignore all the biblical quotes we keep posting

I would be curious to know how many of these quotes are taken out of context. Your quote from: Matthew 7:3-5 "the mote in your eye" is a good metaphor for telling someone "look at your own faults before accusing me of the same faults you have".

Quote from: Racey on February 17, 2016, 07:04:05 PM

The Messiah must be a physical descendant of David (Romans 1:3 & Acts 2:30). Yet, how could Jesus meet this requirement since his genealogies in Matthew 1 and Luke 3 show he descended from David through Joseph, who was not his natural father because of the Virgin Birth. Hence, this prophecy could not have been fulfilled.

Mary was also a descendant of David, as was Joseph who was very old when he was betrothed to Mary who was 15. Check out "The Forbidden Books of the New Testament" for more interesting shit like this.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 07:15:34 PM

The Jews wrote the bible! It's called the HEBREW BIBLE
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The question remains... why is a perfect God, so redundant?

You answered your own question before asking it. Man is imperfect.

Quote from: runpaint on February 17, 2016, 07:24:36 PM

The Israelites were forbidden from performing a pagan religious ritual which involved boiling a baby goat in its own mother's milk.

til...

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 07:28:05 PM

If this creation story does make sense to you, you are clueless:
Day 1: He created Earth (formless and empty) and heaven in the dark. Spirit of God was covering waters, Then he created light
Day 2: He separated sky (the vault) from the water (some magic water that did not freeze)
Day 3: He created dry land (after he created Earth) and plants
Day 4: He created Sun and other stars (poor plants, they had to wait for Sun to show up)
Day 5: Created animals
Day 6: Started farming (no industrial revolution, no science, no Internet? Why not?)

That's a pretty twisted way of reading Genesis. Here's my interpretation:

Day 0: Spirit of God gets an idea, the Earth and Heavens. Neither exist, thus void and formless and are referred to as "waters".
Day 1: God creates light, divides it from the darkness, calls it night and day.
Day 2: God "divided waters from waters" and separated matter from anti-matter, creating Earth and Heavens.
Day 3: Dry land and oceans formed, then the Earth brings forth plants, whose seed is in itself (so the plants didn't have to wait for sun cuz they haven't grown)
Day 4: Then God made the Sun and Moon, day and night, seasons, etc...
Day 5: Sea creatures and flying things.
Day 6: Land animals & Man in the likeness of God in Spirit.
Day 7: Sabbath
Day 8: God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. THEN, man started farming; industrial revolution came after.

and so on... To add to the confusion, 'heaven' seems to be used in place of 'sky', 'space', and 'heaven as in dimention'.

PS: NIV is terrible, KJV or Tanakh in Hebrew or go home.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

Quote from: Deuteronomy 13:15

Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city with the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein, and the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

He says genocide, and that's how I interpret the passage... How do you interpret this verse?

Without knowing the context, to me it sounds like "The word of God shall smite all evil". 'Word of God' being 'sword' according to Ephesians 6:17

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 07:48:24 PM

And, considering the ruler of the town does not condemn the act of cannibalism, the assumption is that he condones the behavior... I read the passage and there is no mention of any punishment for the cannibalism... it does not even imply that it was immoral or wrong... it implies that the woman who hid her son, after making an agreement to eat the child, was in the wrong... sooooooo evil

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 07:33:42 PM

Holy shit! How did I not know the bible condones cannibalism?

Well, yeah, but far from evil. When faced with starvation it's acceptable in many cases. v25:"And there was a great famine in Samaria"
You also missed the part where it was the King of Israel who agreed to eat his son with the woman first, then eat the woman's son after. When the woman hid her son, he tore his shirt pissed mad.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 07:44:40 PM

I you are defending it, you are a despicable human being.

People do fucked up shit and a lot of that was recorded in the bible. In modern times, we keep our bullshit in what we call "history".

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 08:01:27 PM

There are generally 2 common themes among Christians... hypocrisy, and ignorance...
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I'm still waiting to see a single Christian that can articulate anything that is actually in the bible

Yeah me too, so I stopped waiting and started articulating.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 08:24:55 PM

Why do Catholics believe in a different set of 10 commandments than protestant Christians?

Catholics do almost everything the Bible says not to do, including chanting and worshiping to idols on the first day of the week. Something about paganism or some shit I don't know...

Quote from: Gimpeline on February 17, 2016, 08:40:18 PM

Read the bible. Its the fastest way to Atheism. You find out what the book really says, and it's not pretty.

Reading the bible was the fastest way to confirm that humanity is fucked and God left us a long time ago after one of his angels betrayed Him and corrupted an entire species. He's been trying to get back in touch, but unfortunately we killed the messenger.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 09:08:00 PM

I'd not even know how to twist these words.

Evil hearts spew evil from their mouths. Pointing out misunderstood bible verses is one thing, but you follow up with extremelt hateful speech:
"unless you are already a psychopath"
"a collective work of some sick, bronze age psychopaths"
"you are a despicable human being"
And I'm not even halfway through the thread yet.

Quote from: Moloch on February 17, 2016, 09:27:49 PM

As for myself, I was indoctrinated as a child...

I went to church every Wednesday, and twice on Sunday (morning and evening) from the time I was born until I was 16

I considered myself a Christian until I was 12 and started reading the book for myself (oddly enough, I was forced to read it daily when I started going to a Christian school in the 7-9th grade)

After reading the bible, I could no longer believe it. There were too many false statements, contradictions, poor morals, etc...

I truly feel for you, being brought up in a system designed to break away at the foundation of the gospel it preaches. You point out when "God hardened Pharaoh's heart", but don't understand what's being said is "Pharaoh became bitter". I couldn't find the other stories you mentioned, and would love to read them.

Quote from: popcorn1 on February 17, 2016, 10:25:31 PM

You know right from wrong because your emotions tell you this not books

'Right' and 'wrong' are moral viewpoints based on a preconditioned reactionary state which is constantly influenced by our perception. Whether this influence comes from a book or not is irrelevant.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 10:58:36 PM

Anyone who believes everything in the Bible is true and is word of God is either ignorant or dishonest.

Ok. Your blanket statements are starting to piss me off.
See: 2 Timothy 3:16
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
Inspiration does not equal fact. Ever watch a movie that states "inspired by a true story"? Same idea: take the moral, leave the details.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 17, 2016, 11:51:30 PM

After I saw responses from the Christians on this forum, I have changed the title of this thread.

Why not include "crazy shit atheists say"? Everyone here is an asshole so why point one group out over another?

Quote from: mrflibblehat on February 18, 2016, 12:58:39 AM

[...]but don't try to impose your craziness on others. You know how gay people are told that they can do whatever they want in the privacy of their own home?[...]

Yeah, they're told to keep it private, but still parade their faggotry through the streets imposing their craziness on others. I can hardly stand the hypocrisy.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 01:53:01 PM

Show us the wisdom of God.

Their silence is proof of wisdom. Wisdom to withhold the fuel that feeds the hateful fire you've started.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

Quote from: runpaint on February 18, 2016, 02:48:42 PM

Those aren't quotes, just some vague and inaccurate descriptions of a few verses.

And you copied and pasted them from Google anyway.

So go ahead and Google for answers if you're interested.

That is what I thought. Ignorance is a bliss.

No, he's actually right. All you've done is copy+paste the most fucked up shit from the bible for the soul purpose of delivering hate. You're more evil than all the verses you've referred to.

Quote from: mainpmf on February 18, 2016, 02:49:51 PM

Quote from: runpaint on February 18, 2016, 02:45:58 PM

The fact is that plenty of intelligent people have studied the Bible and found no flaws or contradictions. You are free to disagree, but you are also free to read thousands of commentaries online - if you were actually interested in answers.

Well dude I'd like to have the name of even ONE person matching this description xD

Jesus of Nazareth. And what did we do to reward his knowledge? Crucifixion.

Quote from: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 03:35:33 PM

What I have problem is with people who try to tell me black is white. Believe it or die.

I have a problem with shit disturbers like you. You've made absolutely zero points other than proof of hate for the bible. So what? Keep your shit to yourself, and if someone presses their white on your black then press back when it's appropriate.

Quote from: youdamushi on February 18, 2016, 03:49:05 PM

I'm not lying, it says the Earth is flat with 4 corners, squared in fact:

Quote from: youdamushi on February 18, 2016, 03:54:16 PM

Give me a shape with an end four squares and which is not flat!

Not in fact, you've added the squared part. What is fact is words sometimes have two meanings.
See here for the four corners and their corresponding ends:

Quote from: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 04:04:53 PM

I know, he thinks we are attacking his religion.

How are you completely blind to the fact that you are attacking religion?! Huh

Quote from: af_newbie on February 18, 2016, 04:19:15 PM

Did I say for you not to believe in this batshit crazy stuff? I said any rational person should not.

skipping to the end of the thread,

Quote from: Losvienleg on February 22, 2016, 09:22:49 PM

This is proof of man's misinterpretation of scripture to push an evil agenda:

I think the bible is very clear about who was made in His image:

Gen.1:26 "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness...":

Image and likeness is defined as a "representation of the external form"; God was in Spirit [Gen1:2] going through the motions of creation, therefore the 'image of God' is Spirit creating other Spirits (i.e. Angels, Watchers, Nephilim, Sons of God, etc).

Human beings are created from "the dust of the ground" [Gen.2:7], which is why we're not 'invisible'.