Quote from: disclaimer201 on February 24, 2016, 06:48:09 AM

Quote from: SimplisticStu on February 23, 2016, 06:02:52 PM

I love this thread Grin

I'm in the UK and I agree with some of you that state UK are better out of the EU and I agree with some who say it's a dictatorship.
IMO I hope UK does leave the EU, as the 2nd biggest contributor those resources could be used much more effectively on the UK to sort the welfare system so it's fair and does not discriminate against hard working people such as myself that pay into it. I see too many "lazy" people day to day who are happy to sit at home with their designer TV's and a full fridge of food and sign a piece of paper every 2 weeks to state they are "looking" for work when in actual fact they know they are doing just fine without working. This should not be the case, they should struggle and feel the pinch if they don't work, the incentive isn't there for them to break that habit and genuinely go out and find work. I agree with immigrants coming into the UK (not the illegal ones) as I feel they play an important role in the UK economy but for the lazy UK citizens to lay the blame here (which most do) is not only a sign of ignorance, it shows a lack of knowledge to whats actually going on around them. I personally look forward to the referendum.

The issue with the welfare system sucking so badly in the UK has zero to do with UK's membership in the EU, and everything to do with bad politics and the heritage of Margaret Thatcher. But luckily, you want to cut costs even further on the backs of the unemployed. Is this your idea of "reforms"? It's already being done. And better pray to never be fired from your job. You will struggle having to send out 20 applications per week to just barely get by. The hightened fear alone will make working people more frightened, insecure and OBIDIENT. You will likely do anything to stay at a job you should have left years ago. And you will not do your job more efficiently because of it. The effects are not good for employees and even worse for a national economy in sum.

Populist Cameron used the anti-EU sentiment of some conservative politicans to help himself get into power. Now that he did that, it was never his intention for the UK to leave the EU as he doesn't want to be the prime minister responsible for the desastrous economic consequences the step will have for the UK and a complete loss of influence in anything larger than regional politics. You will be suprised to see what remains of your welfare system if trade with the EU is hurt and there will be even less money to share with the poor.

You're saying "I" want to cut costs even further? I'm saying IMO the 2nd biggest contributor could distribute that contribution across the whole of the UK, reshape the welfare system to encourage un-employed to get back to work, not scare the employed from leaving work.

You're also saying "Is this your idea of "reforms"?" I'm saying again IMO reforming and reshaping current systems is not always a bad thing, the politicians are just good at their jobs which is to scaremonger their citizens into thinking their ideas are the way forward and any other idea is a dark, bottomless pit of disaster.

I do agree however with your statement about Margaret Thatcher, she did nothing but harm the strength of the UK and current politics very much reflects this which is why leaving the EU and taking a step outside that dusty old house would provide a chance for shakeup, a chance for independent trade deals and a chance to once again be a United Kingdom (which to be fair, we are far from that right now). Again I must stress, this is my opinion.