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The only reason atheists have morality is, they were trained by people who were trained by people who were trained by people... way back to a time when the morals of the various religions, especially Christianity, ruled... and when there was very little if any atheism.

If there was no morality of Christianity and other religions, atheist morality would only exist as any individual atheist agreed on within himself. This could range from essentially no morality, to a morality stricter than the most strict formal religions of today. Such religious activity on the part of atheists would make atheism the most erratic religion of all.

As it is, the morality of atheism is inbred, automatic training coming mostly from Christianity.

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ya-ba-da-ba-do!!! About time our Flintstones friend showed up.

BADecker,

A person morality does not come from being trained by other people. Not sure what you mean?
My morality is not that of my parents, my teachers or my priests.

Most Atheists use their head to evaluate what is moral and what is not. Religion is definitely not any source of morals
for Atheists.

For me, I apply several tests to see if an action is moral. The most important factors for me are:

- if the action causes suffering, it is immoral
- if the action causes harm, it is immoral

Sorry to break your bubble, but Christianity and especially Bible is the worst example of morality.
My morality is not even remotely Christian.

There you go, almost formally expressing that you would rather have trouble, pain and death over life.

Since the atheist doesn't know that here is no God, because he has never proved it, makes the practicing atheist a faithful, hopeful person... especially in the face of the science that proves that God exists.

Atheism, the most pathetic of all religions. Atheists, the most pathetic of all people, setting themselves up as gods by making the decision there is no God when they don't have enough info to think that way, and all the while claiming that they are people of science. Self-destruction mentality. "I as a god make the decision that god does not exist."

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So, basically, you're saying that the only thing that makes you a moral person is your religion, and without religion you wouldn't have a moral compass?

You got it, man. Since God wrote His laws on your heart, dim and dulled though they have become, your religion is the reason you are moral, as well.

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Interesting. I wonder if that's typical of religious people?

If it is, it means that a proportion of the people attracted to religions are those that have no moral compass and need one supplied by a religion in order to fit in with society. Not all religious people, of course, just those that give religion a bad name (ISIS raping captives, Christians killing non-Christians, etc)

It is typical of all religious people... even you and your religion of atheism or whatever it is.

First, it is in the hearts of all people. Then, because people "lose heart," a formal religion strengthens what they have forgotten. Of course, the religion of atheism doesn't have dogma enough to strengthen anyone's heart in a moral way.

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So you're saying atheism can provide a moral compass then? You've always maintained the opposite. What changed your mind?