Quote from: MRKLYE on March 03, 2016, 07:18:20 PM

Well, I guess I'll finally make this information public before more people get sucked into this DarkClam bullshit.

First off, DarkClam is nothing more than an unlocked unlimited XCP asset, Meaning that the developers can essentially create more whenever.
Promises to have an actual crypto done up have been flying around, but not a single member of the darkclam team seems capable of such work.

The OP of this post (andu) deliberately deceived people initially stating DarkClam was not an XCP asset, However later it was found out to be.
I know of more than a few occurrences where JD users have been sucked in by this shit and traded BTC for these essentially worthless unlimited XCP assets...

Now wait a second...

These guys are claiming that this darkclam may have some value in the future all the while being able to create as many coins as they want..
The problem that this creates is that is it impossible to tell exactly how many DarkClam they've created from nothing.. and also how many they may claim to have distributed while stuffing them in their own pockets. Far too many points of trust failure here, and given that andu already has been caught deceiving people initially about what this "coin" really is do you honestly think that he doesn't have a hidden stash or premine set aside?

So OP (andu) already has been caught spreading mis-information about the project from the get go.. And now we are going to trust him to have not filled his own pockets with these limitless assets which are essentially IOU's for some clone coin that they *may* be creating (which, given the design of this "coin" MUST be premined in order to supply the users that claimed the XCP asset with the "actual coin")

Next comes my favourite part, The vote they have going currently for march 16th basically allows you to either vote for them to be "burned" (why would you have to burn anything if no premine as stated in thread title?) or to have them all transferred to JD owner dooglus to further distribute...

I'd like to ask dooglus why he's even risking his trust getting involved with a project that basically from the start was designed to allow the developers to create unlimited amounts of coins with no sure way of telling if they've properly distributed or burned them all. (Again, why do you need to burn coins if their is no premine as stated in thread title?). Personally dooglus if I was you I would stay as far removed from this project as possible. Why create more work for yourself while risking your reputation on something that wasn't properly thought out from the get go.

When it's proven that this was all an elaborate scheme cooked up by the developers to fuck people out of their hard earned BTC you're probably not going to want any involvement at all.

This project as it is laid out currently has far to many points of failure, Taking the developers word that the distribution was done fairly doesn't fucking fly in crypto land and given that OP has already been caught trying to deceive people about the true nature of this project I would highly advise you skip over this scam in the making and not waste your BTC or CLAM supporting a project solely intended to pad the pockets of the developers via embezzled premined assets.. Dark Clam's scam potential is undeniable and andu doesn't want you to know this info.

Don't buy into bullshit dark clam hype. Adding dark to a coins name and making an unlimited XCP asset with the promise to fairly distribute and burn is absolutely fucking absurd considering you claim no premine but the entire idea behind this cannot work without said premine.

TL:DR; Andu lied about what DarkClam was initially, has been trading unlocked XCP assets while promising users they will have value (they won't) all under the promise that it will be fairly distributed (unlikely) all while trying to drag dooglus into it to give this scam in the making credibility.

"Don't worry we'll make sure it's distributed fairly, trust us, we totally didn't make this "coin" so we could embezzle a fair chunk" -Andu's expected response.

P.S. Great idea, terrible execution. If you want your projects to be successful do not allow andu's PR anywhere near it. Any credibility this "coin" may have had is absolutely smashed now given the fact your public relations guy can't even keep his fucking story straight.

RIP DARKSCAM

Its never been hidden that we didnt locked the asset yet its completly public. You were claiming i was saying darkclam is not an XCP asset, yes i did say that, when darkclam wasnt even an asset yet. I didnt wanted XCP at the beginning but i decided at the end that it may be better to properly develop the coin yet give people time to claim.

No single member of the darkclam dev team? lol the "dev team" is made by daxxog, and the hard part of the coin (The VM) is expected to be done with cooperation of the CLAM dev team.

You are claiming shit that you cannot know for sure how many coins we created? I think you should have another look at counterpartychain.io/asset/DARKCLAM .

You dont have to burn anything, your coins are your coins, but as if you check the upper link you would see that there all the darkclams were issued (a bit over 24m) while the 11.09m(about) that users claimed the rest is held by daxxog, what we want to do is use dooglus as escrow (i believe he has an escrow thread,not sure id ask him on the jd chat eitherway.) to hold the leftover (currently held by daxxog which doesnt want to hold them).

As you publicly announced in jd chat you didnt bothered to read any of the thread or the site yet you are coming with hard accusations against me and the coin(asset). If you looked a bit over we cannot cheat the system unless dooglus modified the wager himself, the leftover is going doog or burn the 16th march.

I dared you to do this for the only reason that you been an asshole, and you proving yourself right now, all those claims without even a bit of research.

Quote from: ilidion on March 03, 2016, 07:22:09 PM

Quote from: daxxog on March 03, 2016, 02:45:24 PM

Quote from: ilidion on March 03, 2016, 08:43:58 AM

sooo questions here.

all remaining darkclams to DOOGLUS and TRANSFER CONTROL of the token to him

how many remaining dcs would be going to dooglus?
and what does transfer control of the token mean exactly?

Don't get me wrong I am all for having doog in our fun project. I think he is honest and a great asset to the coin. But I think a more thorough explanation would help others with their vote. I like to be an informed voter. But congrats on getting doog into dcs. Really nice move. Now if we can get some type of partnership with his dice site we could really grow this project. Congrats

13,153,520.94786813 or 54.03522979% will go to dooglas. "Transferring control" of the asset to doog means he can update the token information, create unlimited new tokens, or "lock" the token in to prevent more coins from being created.

I currently control the token (and don't want to), which is why we are holding this vote.

Sooooo I think it is a good idea but I think we need a statement from doog on what he plans and how he plans to use dc. It makes sense if he is going to take over the project in some way. Sorry I don't want to be a hater but you cant ask me to vote without knowing exactly what Im voting for. And I guess Im not the only one who has these questions. Get doog to make a statement and Im sure everyone will be more than happy for him to take over 54 percent of the initial distribution.

The point wouldnt be him taking anything off the distribution, he would just be escrowing the funds.

Quote from: MRKLYE on March 03, 2016, 08:01:47 PM

And now we have andu uttering death threats to me on JD...

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13:46:02 (51) Klyemax gonna be klyeless lol

Seems a very professional approach to dealing with whistle blowers eh? Suggest you'll kill them. /sarcasm

Rather than acting like a child whom's birthday was taken I'd highly suggest you perhaps work on a trustless version of this project, because as it sits right now I'm going to advise everyone against even bothering with this fucking garbage cash grab you've dreamed up to fuck JD users.

Just a reminder that this (andu) obviously level headed and extremely pleasant individual has access to the supposedly non-existant DarkScam premine and will distribute it fairly to you all, and then burn the rest... Of course once he's done threatening to kill me.

Hmpf , you took your time to write all that, i had nothing in mind about killing you, you may give yourself a bit too much of importance, i guess we all do.
Btw start apporting fundament to your accusations, i know you trust already sucks but yeah. Also i think its funny how you loved clam when you were making mugs and now all you do is saying how you dont see a bright future for it anymore.

Quote from: CjMapope on March 03, 2016, 08:16:42 PM

hmmm, ya see my problem was initial distribution
my gripe was seeing hardcore gamblers own literally 500k DC , while many on the list had 100-500

"distributed MOSTLY to the largest gamblers"
seems legit ;p
just that alone for me is no way to make a coin, as to me, EVERYONE should get fair shakes at coins (original btc-qt had setgenerate)
but idk, see what happens ;p

EVERYONE would mean many many multi accounters, if you really have a better idea propose it, or make it Tongue

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