Quote from: BADecker on March 06, 2016, 09:46:34 PM

Quote from: swogerino on March 06, 2016, 02:32:04 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 05, 2016, 09:12:42 PM

Quote from: swogerino on March 05, 2016, 08:30:22 PM

Quote from: BADecker on March 05, 2016, 08:09:43 PM

Thank you for the exhortation.

Since science has proved that the God Who created the universe exists. I don't have to attempt to prove such at all.

Continue to show your ignorance if you like.

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And how has science proved that god created the universe? Can you explain what existed pre-god, in that case? Feel free to prevent my "ignorance" from affecting your beliefs.

God is eternal, having no beginning or end. Ants in an ant farm terrarium might ask what created people. God is infinitely farther beyond us than we are beyond ants.

As far as how science has proved the existence of God, simply look through my posts in this thread and some of the related threads. Or go to my profile info and look at my posts there.

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Wait, so in that case you assume that god has no creator, right? So... what purpose did he have of creating the universe in that case? What reason would there be to do so? Why bother punishing atheists when you yourself are an atheist?

Not an assumption. A faith thing. ...

and the few chains that he does make are so essentially tiny compared with all the cause and effect processes that God has made in the universe...

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cause and effect might be meaningless prior to t=0. All of the properties (laws/constants/dimensions/time) of our universe were probably undefined before t=0.

Maybe with big bang, space-time came to exist in our universe and it did not exist before that. If that is true, then God could only exist when t>0 because when t <= 0, existence (of anything) was not defined/meaningless. And we don't see any evidence of any Gods when t>0.

Humans need a cause for everything. This need is in our nature. It helped us survive in the past, and it advances science and technology today.

But the t <=0 conditions might not be intuitive to us because of our biology. That is why people fill this shortcoming with God.