Quote from: btcbug on March 06, 2016, 06:31:08 PM

If I take 95% of the money you earn and then I give you back some of that in the form of food, healthcare, etc., well of course anybody can look at that situation and say, "but look, he's fed, and sheltered, so how can you say Socialism is bad?". That is completely missing the point.

The POINT is that they were forced to turnover 95% of their income in the first place! Which means the individual has no choice in how their own money is spent. The government determines that for them and hence why this translates into shitty quality. There is nothing in place to check the excessive wastes of the government because there is no competitive market. It's unsustainable because eventually more and more of that money is siphoned off by the parasites in power, and/or simply wasted on administration.

Socialists do not understand the difference between actual productive work and unproductive work. I can pay somebody to grow food or I can pay somebody to dig a hole, fill it back in, and repeat everyday. Do you see how bureaucracy is sort of like digging the hole everyday? Sure, it creates a job, but the job is fucking useless as far as producing wealth is concerned. When too many people in society are digging the holes we reach the tipping point and the system collapses. Most countries in the world today are nearing that point.

This is simply not true. No one in socialism taking your money that way.
Yes there is some certain amount collected for poor regions in order to build industry and infrastructure.

You think on Communism! This is not the same.

If you think in socialism there is no work and everybody are lazy, you are wrong again!
Many of these socialists countries are very proud countries with higher consciousness of patriotism and almost majority gives more then the average worker in the West.
You forgetting one thing, majority of socialist countries suffered many wars and turmoils maybe if socialism withstand for 200 years will show real face. It is to early to talk about one system after 50 years since its establishment.