Quote from: yugo23 on March 14, 2016, 02:24:26 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 14, 2016, 02:13:06 PM

So your retort is... once again repeating the lie that "the only purpose of guns is to kill" over and over and over in the same post. Very convincing. You don't like the fact people defend their lives with guns, so just say "because the only purpose of a gun is to kill" after each example of nonlethal uses of guns and like magic the cognitive dissonance in the rusty wheel-works of your socialist confirmation bias riddled mind once again can grind away freely.

Just because you imagine violence, does not make the violence real, hence the fact that self defensive use of firearms DOES NOT REQUIRE KILLING, even if you pretend like this is not the case to try to support your shitty unsupportable argument.
Anything that doesn't fit with your socialist conditioning = "a propaganda guy"

You're argument is that self defense doesn't require killing.
It's right, and what? That's not what I claimed. I claimed that the main purpose of a gun is to kill. Hence you can frighten people because they KNOW that the ONLY purpose of a gun is to kill.

I denied all your arguments, can you give me any use of a loaded gun at home but to kill?

Denying all of my arguments doesn't make you any more correct just by denying them. You actually have to have logic or evidence. You have done nothing but repeat yourself. Speaking of repeating yourself YES IT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIMED. You are literally just pretending you didn't say things everyone can look at and see very clearly you said... lets look...

Quote from: yugo23 on March 14, 2016, 01:17:36 PM

...Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened....

...Because the only purpose of a gun is to kill hence they're frightened....

So just keep changing those goal posts, maybe it will make you have a point some day. Again I provided examples of how guns can be used without killing but then you just changed the goal posts to questions about justifying having a loaded gun at home as if that makes your argument mean more. You also didn't address anything about nonlethal ammunition like rocksalt shotgun shells. Just brush the facts aside they aren't important, you have a crusade against "propaganda guys" to win!

You want to know why people should be armed? look no further than your own country:

"By the summer of 1995, three towns in eastern Bosnia--Srebrenica, Zepa and Gorazde--remained under control of the Bosnian government. The U.N. had declared these enclaves "safe havens" in 1993, to be disarmed and protected by international peacekeeping forces. On July 11, however, Bosnian Serb forces advanced on Srebrenica, overwhelming a battalion of Dutch peacekeeping forces stationed there. Serbian forces subsequently separated the Bosniak civilians at Srebrenica, putting the women and girls on buses and sending them to Bosnian-held territory. Some of the women were raped or sexually assaulted, while the men and boys who remained behind were killed immediately or bussed to mass killing sites. Estimates of Bosniaks killed by Serb forces at Srebrenica range from around 7,000 to more than 8,000."

http://www.examiner.com/article/restrictive-gun-laws-no-impediment-to-serbian-mass-shooting

Don't worry tho! The UN/Police/Santa clause will protect you! No need to be able to defend yourselves! Just get on those mass grave and rape buses and everything will be fine. Oh you don't want to? Tough shit, the bad guys have guns regardless of your "gun control" laws. Too bad the law abiding citizens don't.

Quote from: craked5 on March 14, 2016, 02:29:56 PM

drivel

Oh your back! That's too bad. I thought you said you were ignoring me. I guess you just say whatever is convenient at the time for you.

Quote from: M83 on March 14, 2016, 02:23:48 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on March 14, 2016, 12:14:11 PM

Quote from: yugo23 on March 14, 2016, 11:59:20 AM

Well, Tecshare would maybe try to argue shotguns have other purpose than to kill someone xD

The NUMBER ONE PURPOSE OF A GUN IS SELF DEFENSE.

Well that's certainly what they should be used for but does anyone have any stats or the percentage that guns are actually used efficiently in self defense compared to incidents like this and all the others that happen?

Think about it for a second. How would such stats be collected? Are people going to call the police and report they scared off assailants every time they simply brandish a gun? Even if they did the police have no official reporting mechanism for this, so there are no official stats. People on both sides of this debate have however tried to estimate the incidents of self defensive use of firearms in the USA, and even the most conservative numbers show that firearms are used far more often in self defense than in criminal violence.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2012-12-27/how-often-do-we-use-guns-in-self-defense