Quote from: roslinpl on March 16, 2016, 10:57:11 AM

cryptosmoker and TwitchySeal are simple trolls spreading the fud around.

To be honest with all of you cryptosmoker/TwitchySeal is trying to "prove" that Betcoin.ag scammed some users - but in same time he wasn't scammed?

I actually never accused Betcoin of "scamming" since it would be easy to derail based on every ones personal interpretation of what "scam" means.

Since early 2014 there have been several "honest mistakes" during which Betcoin took many BTC (possibly over 100) that they weren't entitled to. The issue I have, is when players told them "hey, why are you taking the money you shouldn't be" they would ignore the player, lie about it or find some other way to cover it up - then do nothing to fix the issue.

I did have a personal issue with Betcoin involving them oweing me money, which is why I stopped playing there last October. Last week they paid me, and I updated the accusation thread accordingly. They didn't apologize or anything for insisting I was wrong, then ignoring me, then banning me when I woudn't stfu about it.

Quote from: TwitchySeal on March 15, 2016, 04:28:19 AM

Update: After six months of ignoring or denying the issue, Betcoin has compensated me 3 Bitcoin and 6,000 status points. More Details [LINK]

Quote from: roslinpl on March 16, 2016, 10:57:11 AM

1. cryptosmoker/TwitchySeal is a hired troll
2. cryptosmoker/TwitchySeal lost his coins while playing Betcoin.ag and he's trying to insult.

That's what I think.

Also he's/they're spamming the forum with his fud and I don't really understand why people like him/them aren't banned.

Have a great day,
best regards.

Nobody's paying me for the time I've spent trying to expose Betcoin. I've taken poker seriously for over 10 years now, relying on it as my primary source of income for over 3 years now. I've player millions (literally) of both highly regulated and barely/unregulated poker and I believe that Betcoin is in the perfect position to make something great. But they're fucking it up by being lazy, arrogant and unethical. I hope they get their shit together, but I'm not going to let them set the example that bribes and signature campaigns are an alternative to transparency and integrity.

"TwitchySeal lost his coins while playing Betcoin.ag and he's trying to insult."

I only put serious volume in at Betcoin for a few months. This is only to defend myself, not to brag - but you can see my non-satellite tournament results [HERE] I also played around 80,000 hands of cash, results [HERE] I did very well on Betcoin - which is something I considered before burning my bridge with them.

Quote from: Lutpin on March 16, 2016, 11:09:29 AM

Quote from: roslinpl on March 16, 2016, 11:20:00 AM

Also he's/they're spamming the forum with his fud and I don't really understand why people like him/them aren't banned.

Without taking sides (I can't say I'm aware of the situation, so I won't say anything regarding to it),
posting a thread in the Meta section and insta-locking it is kinda unnecessary.
If you just want to plainly report a post, there's a great report function built in already, use it.

If you want to start a discussion about cryptosmoker/TwitchySeal (and what they are doing),
you can also open a thread in the Reputation board, but don't insta-lock it.

All my attempts to have a reasonable discussion in public have resulted in them ignoring me and/or attempting to discredit me by calling me a spamming troll. Management, their site pro, their biggest affiliate and now their signature campaign manager.

I have put the effort into providing evidence to back every accusation I have made against Betcoin. Many are complicated and have been going on months or years - so it's frustrating to see members obviously getting paid by Betcoin to post to attack me or defend Betcoin with vague comments or lies and then simply ignore a reasonable response, or call it spam.

For anyone interested in taking a look:

The thread I started on 1/10/16 as a record of many issues that were ultimately handled unethically: [LINK]

My first post in the signature campaign thread, with evidence that ftwbtc (member of campaign I suspect is actually controlled by Betcoin managment) had applied to join the campaign with his alt account, noobtc. - [LINK]

I didn't know anything about roslinpl and made it clear I had no intention of disrespecting him, but he basically responded by asking me to stop spamming with "trollspeech" which compelled me to be sure that the members of the campaign were aware that my evidence is real and I'm not like the majority of those who complain about casinos.

Quote from: Lauda on March 16, 2016, 07:19:45 AM

Quote from: cryptosmoker on March 16, 2016, 01:03:05 AM

I think its wrong to manage ad campaign and try to keep the members from knowing truth about business they advertise for.
Every accusation against betcoin is backed up with evidence.

Well, IMO posting that in their signature campaign is not right. From what I see there is already an on-going scam accusation against them to which they are not responding to. If there is adequate amount of evidence, then it would be best to contact people from DT as they might mark the service (if they have an account) or the promoted with negative trust.

Note: I have not looked closely into the accusation and can't say whether it is valid or not.

The scam accusation is just a conversation about unethical things Betcoin has done, they have yet to address the thread and accept responsibility (although they have recently semi-admitted to part of two issues on the long list by offering compensation after 6 months of ignoring/denying it ) In 2.5 months there have been two attempts at defending Betcoin. One of them started off by saying "This will be my first and last post in this thread." followed by a bunch of lies.

The other was the alt account of ftwbtc (mentioned above) explaining how much he loved Betcoin and how crazy I am.

My point is, I would agree with you that going into the sig campaign is not appropriate. However, I feel at this point I have thoroughly exhausted all or most other channels of communication but still feel I just need to get the right person or people to hear me.

If you're willing, I would very much appreciate it if you would look into the accusations and share your impartial opinion (I've never communicated with you in any way afaik), or point me in the right direction of someone who might be willing. I don't know how or if it's kosher to ask someone to not trust someone around here and tbh don't really understand the whole system. I do know dooglus is aware of much of what I've said and is quoted in the thread.

Thanks for reading (if anyone made it this far)

Scam Accusation Thread