Quote from: tempus on March 16, 2016, 09:04:14 AM

Quote from: CoinFreedom on March 16, 2016, 07:19:56 AM

In fairness, I actually like their marketing strategy though. I'm a frequent Jango user (where I first heard about it, despite spending lots of time on crypto for the last few years) and just tried their Solitaire Racer Facebook game. It's things like that where the average person who knows nothing about crypto but has maybe heard of Bitcoin will start to connect the dots in their head and realize that Bitcoin might be useful for something.

They're making it extremely easy to use. "Do you like this song? Press this button to tip them with crypto." It doesn't get any simpler. "Do you like this game? Play more and earn this NeuCoin thingy" Suddenly people who had no interest in Bitcoin will see it as their way of cashing out their new found crypto token. As Bitcoin gains legitimacy it gets even easier to make the connection between loyalty token (NeuCoin) and real world goods and that's how value gets created.

As a basic idea, I agree. If we, just as a theory, use a time-machine in the past and think about a project like Neucoin, it really could be interesting:

Easy to use for everybody, easy to "adopt", something like a "fun-way" to learn about and to get in touch with Crypto, micro-tipping, communication and education to involve unexperienced user, transparency, and so on.

It's nothing I would call very special or innovative but I wouldn't ever criticize a project with such a focus if it's done right. What would be needed for that? A stable base. The code and the economical-design must be stable, it needs a skilled and hardworking team and a lot of communication. And it would need decentralization! A project like that would only have the chance to reach real value as a community-project, with very low barriers to participate for everybody and also other Developers. It would not and should not be about greed, not all about the price. The price should reflect adoption, but shouldn't be the focus. It would be more an "education-fun-project". In fact there already is/was this kind of project: Doge. And just by the way: Neucoin wanted to repeat the success of Doge regarding adoption but with the intention to make big money out of it. The intention behind the squirrel is to establish a branding, something that is appealing in a simple way... it's the attempt to use simple advertising-mechanism. Nothing wrong with that, but if there is not more than some advertising-methods, there is still nothing.

And the problem is: Neucoin is bad for Crypto. Because for those who are really new to Crypto, Neucoin is a bad experience. Not just because of the money. It's simply not what they claimed it would be. It's not open and decentralized and fun and communication and education. It's a dictatorship, the team shows nothing but ignorance and arrogance and incompetence. And why? Because they acted out of greed! That was the focus since day one.

It's visible everywhere. Especially the economical-design is obvious. I mean, it's not just obvious, it's ridiculous. It is as if greed has lowered the IQ of those who are responsible for that. And it's a simple fact that greed makes people stupid. They develop stupid ideas blinded by greed. And some buy stupid projects blinded by stupid promises which are totally in contrast to the facts. It's not meant as critique to those who invested because some were just unexperienced but it's kind of stupid to feel married to a project that's not just totally flawed by design but also without any respect for those who gave there money.

And greed is also the reason for the lack of communication because it's too easy to reveal. It's easy to ask questions in a way that both, the answer or the silence, would be revealing. So they have to avoid communication and they have control communication. And both is obvious: They avoid communication in this thread because they can't control it. They control communication (and also avoid it) on their own forum. And isn't it paradox that they are not even able to make a better forum? I mean, a lot of little shitcoins have at least good communication-platforms. But they don't care about that because they don't like communication! It's kind of a psychological problem, because if I have something to hide I fear questions and if I fear questions I fear communications. That's why the communication is always "one-way". They say what they have to say but they don't discuss things. It's not that it would be too much work. They just can't do that because open discussions are a risk.

But, they are not even really aware about all those dynamics. They believed to be super-smart while they were blinded by greed.

That's the big red line and it's still visible. I mean, all the talking about Jango... Jango was only possible because of relationships. The same guy behind Neucoin is behind Jango. So what. It's just another advertising-attempt and not a sign of progress. And there is no natural way to grow because the design is totally flawed. Now they destroy coins which seems to make sense for the exchanges but a professional who thinks about adding Neucoin to his platform (if there would be anybody) will rethink that. The same with the switch to full PoS. It raises some questions but at the same time it also gives answers. It's all about the price and they still want to sell a product they make out of nothing because they hold nearly all of it, but without quality or a real philosophy behind.

My advice to those who invested in this is simple: Don't feel married to a project if the team behind doesn't show at least a little respect for your concerns. If I read in the official forum it's obvious for me that people have questions but also fear to ask those questions and to be critical. And it's understandable... they don't want to damage anything. But ask yourself if that atmosphere is in line with all the claims what Neucoin should stand for.

The innovation is exactly the stuff you don't like, which means you overlook it as innovation. Nothing wrong with that, its a personal choice. You have to realize you are being highly altruistic in your requirements. Again, nothing wrong with, that but it lacks a little bit of pragmatism. What you are asking is very unlikely to occur without some monetary motivation (aka greed)

Ultimately the "decentralization" concern comes down to the PoS vs PoW argument. NEU will be centralized for a time. Neucoin is decentralizing its currency by paying them out to consumers as rewards. It is going to take a while but in reality is not any more BS than an average PoW model. (eth has an amazing PoW model, but I digress) There is a hidden PoW model in the neucoin approach. Instead of buying an expensive graphics card or ASIC and burning electricity to solve arbitrary problems, people frequent websites or create content. Its human-based PoW. They then have the option to grow their coins by staking or using a growth account that functions just like a common CD.

Which of the two approaches do you think is the most inclusive of average consumers?

They've taken steps to address some of the major concerns raised here. Decentralization will be accelerated and the number of coins will be greatly reduced. This coin is so young. Will you not have a different opinion many years from now when the coins have been distributed and are no longer centralized? It may not start trading well until that point, but I'd rather be staking a few coins in the meantime.