Quote from: trollercoaster on March 16, 2016, 11:02:29 PM

Yeah, that's why I said 2032 is possibly the date we will see socialism finally go extinct.

There's strong divides appearing now with people beginning to realize the problem is socialism, it's suffocating the life out of the middle class.

The delusional youth supporting it have yet to feel that suffocation, but they will.

MA believes socialism will be 90% extinct by 2032.95, I agree with him on this.

See also this:

http://relativisticobserver.blogspot.com/2015/11/rapidly-growing-niche.html?showComment=1458758870054#c7494278038077251657

And this followup:

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on March 23, 2016, 08:47:24 PM

Quote from: OROBTC on March 23, 2016, 08:43:24 PM

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Edging into a new topic for the moment, I read recently that one way PEOPLE may get to be better able to secure their iPhones (and others) would be for someone to write cunning little apps to do that. I can think of one or two possibilities already (one would be to mimic the iPhone being off and then require a new password, perhaps another to hide info that a user would want hidden if an FBI were to break into the phone, I am sure other ideas would come along...).

Perhaps the apps writers would have to be outside the USA. And I suppose Apple might have its own requirements (burdens) on such apps to make them accessible to AAPL itself or the FBI/NSA.

What's say TPTB? That might be a fairly quick way to make a buck...

The operating system and hardware vendor can undermine any security programmed into an App.

We need to move to completely open sourced OSes and hardware, but even Android is not that.

Sorry you won't be able to hide from the backdoor if Apple loses their case.

Quote from: TPTB_need_war on March 23, 2016, 10:49:07 PM

Quote from: OROBTC on March 23, 2016, 09:18:37 PM

Based on the extremely limited contacts I have w/ cryptographers (and limited reading), it is my opinion that a large group of concerned folks like us can make it VERY HARD for LE to get some information, even on cellphones. (Not including phone call info of course)

That is incorrect. The OS and hardware can be designed to leak everything. Although perhaps the encryption could be done on a USB dongle mini-computer (plugged into the user's computing device) that is running custom open source OS and hardware.

What is very hard is to hide that the OS and hardware has that capability. Easier to hide if closed-sourced. But knowing it has that capability won't help us prevent it from leaking the data. Well I guess it could if we refuse to connect our device to any network. But who the hell is going to use a mobile device that is never connected to any network.

The only technical solution is to open source all the OS and the hardware. But we can't open source the hardware because the foundries can be subjected to a national security gag order.

The only non-technical solution is political. And the politics won't be improving until the boomers are gone. If Apple loses the case and the government mandates a backdoor on encryption, then computing is fucked. Because any backdoor can be hacked. The tech giants are all fighting the government on this. It would lead to a computing Dark Age. If they explain it properly hopefully the political support exists to stop the government.

But that might not even stop the NSA from handing out national security gag orders and finding some way to put a backdoor in the hardware.