Quote from: Rassah on January 04, 2013, 06:41:25 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on January 04, 2013, 06:28:09 PM

Quote from: Rassah on January 04, 2013, 06:21:02 PM

Quote from: Dalkore on January 04, 2013, 06:12:06 PM

Having required & shared responsibilities does not equate slavery. I find that a very lazy attitude to take, communities require us all to share different responsibilities so they operate in a beneficial manner to everyone.

They're not really responsibilities if they are basically forced on us. If I were to give money to a local school, I'd be taking on the responsibility for funding and growing our local education and workforce. Instead, I just see a bunch of money leaving my paycheck, and I have no idea where it's going. I can only assume a part of it is going to the school, but the "responsibility" is essentially forced upon m me.

Well there you go, you believe you live in a bubble and other live in bubbles and you do not recognize the community or the responsibility that go into maintaining a community.

You are wrong in that notion and I feel comfortable that your system will never catch on until you compromise on that issue among others. My whole purpose of engaging in this debate was to get to this core issue. You have a lack of take responsibilities for issues of your community that do not have a direct affect on you. A selfish attitude and we already have plenty of this in the world today and is one of the reasons we are going down the tube.

That is exactly how most seem to see libertarians and AnCaps, and it couldn't be further from the truth. I believe that I live in a community, and that I have responsibilities for it. I just think that my responsibilities should be voluntary, and that by "forcing" this responsibility on everyone, the government is essentially teaching everyone to completely abdicate their own responsibilities. Why should people care and be responsible if the government will just take their money and take care of things itself? The low voter turnouts pretty much show that people mostly don't care what their money goes to, and don't want to be responsible for how it's spent. Also, note that the point of doing taxes for everyone is to end up paying as little as possible. So, not only is the government teaching people to abdicate responsibilities, it's teaching them to avoid paying for as much of it as possible, too.
I could similarly argue that your side is the selfish one, where you are projecting your own selfishness on all people in general, believing that everyone is as selfish as you, and only contribute to society because they are forced to, not because they feel responsible for it.

Ok, now I think I have a question to bridge this divide. I can see at least this present company, our hearts are in the right place.

Question:How do we get the general populous to start caring about their community and the people around them. If I had faith in them to be the proper custodian then I would be much more open to a different decentralized form of government.

The modern media culture shows basically messages that are narcissistic and self-centered. About getting to the top no matter how ruthless. The less morals you have and the more you will exploit yourself the better. How do we combat this message? How do we bring back honor in people actions? Not all people because there are always exceptions but in most people.