Quote from: barabbas on March 29, 2016, 01:54:15 AM

Quote from: dcgirl on March 27, 2016, 11:50:29 AM

Quote from: barabbas on March 27, 2016, 07:31:59 AM

Once again: everything in this abomination is at the whim of Territo or whatever his name is. Only MTR accepted? Why? Why not BTC or, indeed, fiat. If people were to see any value at all -which they will not- like everything else out there you can pay for it with plastic, with fiat in cash or with digital currency. Why would a platform that has always been conceived as a subscription based tool be any different. There's no real marriage here and the only binding tie is the whim of Territo who, if it were to have any success -and it will not, because it is a terrible idea-, would logically want to at least get his investment back and some profits to show for many many months of efforts... MTR is a copy/paste clone, a joke really at 90% Territo owned and sraking at 10% a month. With nothing whatsoever behind it.
Worthless.

Not sure why I'm responding, but anyway...

It's obvious you have a problem with Rich, and a problem with the distribution of MTR, and nothing I say will change that, so I won't even try. But, the rest of your argument - why only MTR, for example. Let's make that a wider example and ask that about every coin. Why would anyone want to use any coin to purchase anything? And if there's no reason anyone would, well, why are we all here?

Is there any value in an "in-house" currency anywhere? Like an in-house currency for platforms like Twitch or Minecraft? That all depends on the size of the audience. Now, I don't ever expect ToshiDesk to have an audience that's more than a tiny fraction of those, as the crypto world is small. But suppose it does gain wider use, by branching into a white-label situation where it is embedded into multiple sites (the first of which we are currently negotiating). And suppose we decide we want to continue to have MTR be the in-house currency for it. All that does is grows the market for the coin. And I would imagine it has the potential to grow the interest in speculation for the coin as well.

I don't expect that any of this will "convince" you of anything as your agenda is pretty clear, but the rest of the community might be interested in what I say. I didn't join this project because of MTR, I joined it because I saw and still see potential in the application. But I do see potential for MTR to grow along with it, and have "dreams" of where MTR can go - technically - to use more advanced blockchain technologies that will also expand its value. That's a discussion for the future, though.

As far as the "he controls 90%" argument - yes, he does control the keys to that, and yes, he could dump at any time. But I control the source code for the application. I'll pull that in a minute if he doesn't do what he agreed when I first agreed to work on this - to use the premine only for purposes that would grow the value of the coin. We may never find that necessary to do, and could destroy the premine, or we could just keep it sitting on the sideline. But it's not something I expect to change any time soon.

Oh I can tell you EXACTLY why: you are responding because you think you have a good, positive answer to one of my criticisms. The 90% premine. "If he touches it, i'll retire my code immediately ". Now isn't that just peachy? So instead of one individual controlling over 90% it will be TWO individuals. Both bent on bein 100% honest and not to cover their expenses and get a bit of compensation for their work, right? oh and by the way, Rich, by hos own admissions, has already "touched the premine" to "help with the expenses... even as t these levels of non-volume.

But since you make the best possible argument AGAINST the project, lets dig a bit: your main interest, concern, etc. Is the application, toshi desk which you hope will be adopted and subscribed to I n big numbers. Well, most of what td offers was already on your website. For free. How many subs did you have? That would be as good starting point... but lets be real generous and assume that people will buy the white platform and in an epic act of belief, that they would accept the use of MTR as the only form of payment (you cannot really believe that, can you? Really? Why?). That would put a lot of MTR out there, right? Wonderful! Lots of demand, right? Well sorry but no, WRONG. Because the more MTR out there, the WORSE actually because many many more coins would be staking at the absurd 10% monthly rate (which you forgot conveniently to mention), therefore flooding the market with many more coins than will be necessary to cover the most optimist need imaginable. And that's being deliriously optimistic because, really, why would anyone want to purchase toshi desk to begin with and, much less, a copy/paste hackjob of a coin like MTR, that brings absolutely nothing to the table, doesnt add -and subtracts a lot- any value to toshi desk? Oh wait, later on you will code into it some kind of "smart contract" that would make all the difference, right? Not enough of those already there, right?

Look DC, I know you mean well. And I know it's only human to be enticed seeing those coins Rich pays you grow exponentially month to month. But I know you are intelligent enough to see by now that this is a catastrophe already happened with no possible way to any progress as long as those fundamental absurdities -the premine and the 10% monthly- remain in place.

Oh and not only I dont have anything against Rich, I actually like his wavering -yes, wavering- determination. It is just that this whole idea, sadly, is simply terrible. And the plan followed so far, beyond terrible; it's an abomination.

The nicest thing about the world we live in, and especially about btctalk, is we all are given the opportunity to judge things as we see fit. You see catastrophe waiting to happen, I see potential. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it all plays out.

And quite honestly, I'm glad you are sharing your concerns, because that's the best purpose of this forum. It gives people all of the information they need to make decisions about what to invest in. I'll continue to work and share my progress and you can continue to push us to improve our offering. Maybe we'll all win.