Quote from: Moloch on March 31, 2016, 06:02:45 PM

Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 05:34:46 PM

...Scientific journals (meant for getting the full picture of a scientific or historical discovery, with it's nuances and possible errors) are from "3,000 to 10,000 words in length"...

And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that... if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking... but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!

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If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 05:16:08 PM

Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2016, 04:25:43 PM

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...

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[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Quote from: Moloch on March 26, 2016, 05:44:59 PM

Slavery:

Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21

When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

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And with all this trolling, you still refuse to pick a topic for debate...

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And as did I: I wanted to specifically debate on every topic brought up by you in your posts that I refuted in mine. If you don't want to debate on multiple topics, don't put out multiple claims.

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As for scientific journals... I have no problem with a 10,000 word paper, so long as it sticks to a single topic... which they do... it often takes a lot of words to debate a single topic...

The topic is whether Christianity is bad ("poison") or not and why? There's plenty of sub-topics you opened up in regards to the central topic by making claims.

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The problem is you jump all over the place, accusing me of this or that...

I provide counter arguments to your arguments about "Christianity being bad". That's not jumping all over the place, that's the format of the discussion: refuting of claims made by the opposing side.

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if I don't respond to everything, you accuse me of cherry-picking...

Because you only pick out my arguments which you feel you can completely defeat and not even mentioned any other arguments to your claims. I think this sums this up:

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It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention<...>

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking

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but, I cannot possibly fully refute a 3-page post, providing supporting evidence for every claim, without making my own 100-page-long post!

If you need 100 pages, then do so. Weren't you the one going on about science, you know, that constantly has these massive discussions of evidence and credibility of such to actually reach the truth?

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This is the situation I am avoiding... if you want to debate a single topic at a time, PICK A FUCKING TOPIC TO DEBATE WITH ME!

As I mentioned: "Is Christianity bad or not?" (as in what the title hints at), where there is plenty of arguments to be made and plenty of them to be countered.

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If you want me to pick, how about slavery in the bible?

You mean the Christian bible (The New Testament)? Because it does overwrite the Old Testament as it was meant as a prophecy (referred to as "gospel") for the coming of Jesus Christ.

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Quote from: mprep on March 31, 2016, 05:16:08 PM

Quote from: Moloch on March 29, 2016, 04:25:43 PM

Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament, so don't get all, "but the new testament doesn't say that" on me...

[X]Bold statement with no evidence
[X]Previous arguments dismissed

You say I did not provide evidence for this claim, but I did... I said christianity had preached it... the bible supports slavery in at least a dozen places... do you need me to quote the exact verses for you, or are you capable of using google?

Here's the link again since you must have missed it (evidence you claim I didn't provide)

Quote from: Moloch on March 26, 2016, 05:44:59 PM

Slavery:

Quote from: Leviticus 25:44-46

As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Quote from: Exodus 21:20-21

When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his property.

More slavery in the bible: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

See this for my answer to your "evidence":

Quote from: mprep on March 27, 2016, 10:27:13 PM

Leviticus, Exodus and Deuteronomy are all part of the Old Testament (also often referred to as the Hebrew Bible), which is overwritten by the New Testament in many branches (and/or sects) of Christianity. The Old Testament was meant as a holy book for the time (not for eternity) and became obsolete in many situations. Also, in terms of cherry-picking, that's why different branches and sects of both Christianity and other religions exist - there's constant debate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theology) on what is accepted and what is not, especially as time progresses and our culture changes.

Sources (in terms of what I based the arguments upon):
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/15/do-we-have-to-obey-the-laws-of-the-bible-if-so-what-laws/506#506
http://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/3733/does-the-new-testament-override-the-old-testament
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What you haven't proven is this (I'll bold and underline your statement I'm concerned with):

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Christianity has also preached that slavery is lawful and not a bad thing... in both the old and new testament

Since, I'm rather bored to wait, I'll get the Wikipedia mention on the New Testament out of the way. It is said in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery:

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In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men". However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

First of all, I've looked at the passages that refer to this:

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In several Pauline epistles, and the First Epistle of Peter, slaves are admonished to obey their masters, "as to the Lord, and not to men"

And all the passages linked, the translation in several English versions seems to use the word "servant" rather than "slave", which could be both interpreted as lost in translation (beneficial to your side) and as to cover (regulate, not approve of ) slavery back in the day of Christ (which was a common practice at the time) as well as the current voluntary employment. There is however no positive (a.k.a. reinforcing) mention of the act of enslavement. From what I can logically deduct, said writings were meant to address the status quo, rather than encourage the act of slavery (taking new slaves). This view is also reinforced taking in consideration the following part of the quote:

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However, masters were told to serve their slaves "in the same way" and "even better" as "brothers", to not threaten them as God is their Master as well.

Then again you decided to pick a target that is easy for you to "tear up", while in reality it is up for speculation and thus open to quite a lot of theological discussion (of which I now participated in). Guess the historical reasoning (in regards to your claim about Christianity being the sole cause of the Dark ages (my counterclaim: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14354149#msg14354149)) or actually providing proof to your other unsubstantiated claims (that I pointed out, twice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14365514#msg14365514 and https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1412734.msg14378127#msg14378127) is a bit too difficult. Still better something than the "tl;dr" bullshit you've been putting out.

P.S. I'll quote a saying (that will address your concern regarding "too many topics" (actually counter arguments of the arguments you made yourself) and "too long posts" (actually required to refute all the unsubstantiated claims you've made)) attributed to Harry S. Truman: "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen".