Quote from: smooth on April 03, 2016, 04:31:18 PM

Quote from: AlexGR on April 03, 2016, 09:54:50 AM

Why don't you take a look at your Monero which WAS CODED INTENTIONALLY AS A SCAM with an INTENTIONALLY CRIPPLED MINING CODE, so that some SCAMMERS could mine multiple times what naive miners were mining.

Because first of all no one involved with Monero now (which is a fork of the coin that was coded as a scam, from which the crippled code was quickly removed, limiting its impact to a few percent at most, unlike Dash's 30% instamine) had anything to do with it, unlike Dash where Evan and most of the instaminers are still out there shilling it today.

Do you think you are somehow absolved, by saying "oh we just took over the scam project and continued it"?

If you made the same questions you make regarding Darkcoin, you would ask yourself "and why didn't we relaunch and create a fair coin, instead of basing our coin in the foundations of a scam"? See the hypocrisy? And you pretend to have the moral edge? Roll Eyes

Roach was telling you "relaunch", you were like "oh we'll fix it with the least harmful fix". Tacotime was also "oh it's just a week's old coin, we can also fuck over early adopters and make the coin infinite, instead of 18mn hard-cap". I mean real legit and professional stuff:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=582080.20

Pages 2/3/4...

Arguments like "oh it's a new coin, a week old, we can surely make changes because right now we are new and, well, in the long run it doesn't matter so much"... But darkcoin can't make any changes. No... then Evan is a scammer for making changes. Fucking double standards for the win. Seriously, don't get me started with this.

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Second, because it had minimal impact

AHAHAHAHAHA minimal impact... yeah right. Downplaying your scam and saying "ah the other scam is larger".

I guess those selling their 0.01 XMRs, mined by the non-crippled miner, had "minimal impact" when scamming people.

No scam here people, move along... minimal impact.

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By contrast, in addition to continued misleading statements about the instamine and the role of current leaders and insiders, Evan posted technical analysis telling people how great it was to buy Dash (EDIT: quoted below -- read for yourself, if that isn't transparent pumping, i don't know what is)

Even the example you gave me is showing that people made money, not lost:

The price on the charts you are showing me, at that time stamps, was 0.01.

Today we are +60-80% up at a price range of 0.016 to 0.018.

The scam here is overwhelming Roll Eyes

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But here's more evidence of AlexGR's continued participation, instead of throwing in the towel and finally allowing the scam to collapse, preventing even more investors from being scammed. Well done, AlexGR.

Go make a proper interface for your Monero scam, where your insiders where like "ohh we want it to be hard to use so that the masses come much later" (ie adoption obstacles by design, to maximize the impact of future offloading to investors who will only come when Monero becomes usable in terms of interface).

Quote from: smooth on April 03, 2016, 04:50:26 PM

Quote from: AlexGR on April 03, 2016, 12:27:34 PM

3. Did that guy lose any money, or more specifically did Evan rip him off in some way?

If he bought post-launch, he bought at 0.000025 per BTC. Price in mid April 2014 was around 100 times as much. If he waited a few more days, his money would be another 5x at least (500x). Where did he lose money? How did Evan rip him off? I call bullshit.

I don't know if that guy lost money but clearly there are many people have been scammed by Dash and have lost money, most notably those who bought on the initial pump up to about 0.0267, a price which has not been reached since, but also on later pumps.

1. You are confusing Evan ripping people off with trading between market players.

2. Even so, the initial pump was 2 years ago.

A year later one could sell around the same price level (plus having reaped a year of MN rewards)

Two years later one could sell while having 2 years of MN rewards. Which is another "scam" accusation because it allows holders to multiply their coins through the Masternode Reward system. So, you'll claim if they compensate lost value (or gain more value) by mining more coins through the MNs, it's a scam. If they just lose value and not compensate, it's still a scam. In your twisted minds whether the holder preserves value, increases value or loses value, it's ALWAYS a scam. Which just goes to show the lengths of your hell-bent intent to use negative tactics to influence your opponents.

3. If you go by the logic that any market movement that ends up in a downward movement is a scam, then you are promoting a market logic where the only way a market cannot be a scam, is if price ALWAYS goes upwards. A market where everyone who buys always wins. Such a (rapidly moving) market does not exist to the best of my knowledge. If it did exist, it would probably reach infinite marketcap levels by everyone throwing at it everything they had, including their homes - as they would always get more value back.

4. If you insist on that logic, then your Monero team and pumpers scammed investors by an ATH of 0.0111 and it's current price is 0.0035. This is 3.15 times down. People who bought at Monero's ATH have lost ~70% of their money - even at the current "pumped" Monero prices. Who scammed them Smooth? "Evan the Instaminer" who had nothing to do with Monero, or the Monero pumpers and scammers who were dumping easily mined coins and selling them for inflated prices and publicly acknowledging so in the respective threads (how many BTC they were getting per day by their enhanced miners and selling them to naive investors)?