Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 06:00:24 AM

Quote from: qwik2learn on April 05, 2016, 05:58:59 AM

Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 05:14:32 AM

Ummm no... that is incorrect

Science has shown that NDE are nothing more than a hallucination...

You have only presented rhetorical opinions but have not met your burden of proof.

I provided evidence that these memories are at least as real as valid memories.

Where is the evidence that these memories are all hallucinations?

You provided nothing but a story about 2 guys in a conspiracy to fool people

You claimed that NDE are nothing more than a hallucination, but that hypothesis has been scientifically refuted.

Quote from Thonnard's paper:

Since reports of NDEs are proposed to be imagined events, and since memories of imagined events have, on average, fewer phenomenological characteristics than real events memories, we here compared phenomenological characteristics of NDEs reports with memories of imagined and real events. Results showed that, in NDE memories group, NDE memories have more characteristics than memories of imagined and real events (p<0.02).

You claimed that you provided evidence on "inducing an NDE", but you are a speaking falsely because what they induced was an OBE which is NOT an NDE (in this case) and this evidence doesn't get you any closer to proving that these memories are illusions!
"We cannot assume from the fact that electrical stimulation of the brain can induce OBE-like illusions that all OBEs are therefore illusions"!

You claimed that Eisenbiess knew the medium Rollans, but this explanation is not sufficient to explain the data apparently acquired from the dead personality himself, and it is problematic because it proposes an elaborate conspiracy where the two liars would have to do extensive research and painstaking labor for nearly a decade without any expected or actual reward; by itself, this fact does not provide any evidence of fraud. Professor Eisenbeiss is a trustworthy scholar, so what evidence can reliably implicate him in a scheme like this? I think that you have not provided any serious evidence for your proposed conspiracy.