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Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 06:57:51 AM

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Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 06:31:59 AM

The fact that NDE can be reproduced with a magnet is proof that its a bullshit memory...

Got a source for all of that?

I feel like we are going in circles... this is the third time you asked me to repost something I already posted... do you read my whole post or just the first sentence?

Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 05:14:32 AM

Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0

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Michael Shermer travels to Laurentian University in Sudbury, Canada, to strap on the "God Helmet" in neuroscientist Michael Persinger's lab that duplicates out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, alien abductions, and other paranormal phenomena.

Actually, the evidence shows that the memories from NDE are at least as valid as real memories. If you have a problem with the evidence, then you can critique the methods employed by the authors. Thonnard's study indicates that the memories are being generated in a valid way from valid perceptions; in fact, they must be generated in this way because the lack of EEG definitively indicates the absence of consciousness and the only thing that we know of which can generate memories that are at least as real as valid memories is consciousness. There is no scientific evidence linking NDE with hallucinations; for example, the patient from the AWARE study results had a true perception of a sound during a flat EEG, so his experience cannot be dismissed as hallucinations. Furthermore, where is the evidence that the memories are being generated after the fact? Thonnard's results evidence the validity of NDE memories, whereas the God Helmet does nothing but entertain skeptics.

As mentioned earlier, OBE is only one element of NDE, but NDE requires a number of different complementary explanations.
Does this Helmet really duplicate ALL of the salient elements of NDE, including the phenomenological characteristics that identify it as a valid memory (see Thonnard's paper)?

You are wrong

I have already debunked your evidence...

I have shown why the false memories more closely resemble actual memories than an imagined event

You misunderstand the article you are citing... All evidence shows that it is a false memory (exactly like a dream)... it is not real!... it is not an "imagined event", which is NOT A MEMORY... this does not imply anything like what you are claiming... The fact that the memory is stored in the area where your brain stores memories instead of where your brain stores make-believe fantasy doesn't mean it's real/legitimate in any way whatsoever

This does not give it credibility in any way... It's equivalent to a christian saying, "I know for certain that God exists"... NO! YOU DONT! THATS BULLSHIT! YOU ARE A GULLIBLE FOOL OR LIAR!

You have no clue how unreliable your memories actually are... If you think your memory is flawless you are just plain stupid... how well do you remember events from 40 years ago? The answer is obvious to anyone 40+ years old... your memory is shit... there have been plenty of scientific studies on this

Quit pretending you know everything... you dont

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hidden-motives/201203/unreliable-memory

I previously cited SEVERAL sources debunking your claim... if you refuse to look at the sources I hand you... fuck off

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Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 06:31:59 AM

You can watch a man wear a helmet with his eyes closed for a few minutes... then listen to him tell a story about how some alien came into the room, abducted him onto a spaceship... where he was anally probed, then returned to the room... That shit did not happen! You can watch the video and see it did not happen the way he remembers it!

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-near-death-experience-isnt-proof-heaven/

http://skepdic.com/nde.html

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Near-death_experience#Scientific_explanation

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P Z Myers similarly suggested that false memories may be generated as the brain tries to make sense of a time when consciousness did not exist. Further wishful thinking may generate experiences confirming what a subject wants to believe and brain damage may prevent a subject recognizing that the experience was a dream.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confabulation

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In psychiatry, Confabulation (verb: confabulate) is a memory disturbance, defined as the production of fabricated, distorted or misinterpreted memories about oneself or the world, without the conscious intention to deceive. Individuals who confabulate present incorrect memories ranging from "subtle alterations to bizarre fabrications", and are generally very confident about their recollections, despite contradictory evidence

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Quote from: qwik2learn on April 05, 2016, 02:46:40 PM

Does this Helmet really duplicate ALL of the salient elements of NDE, including the phenomenological characteristics that identify it as a valid memory (see Thonnard's paper)?

Yes you stupid mother fucker! Did you not watch the video I linked for you twice now?!?!?

Are you such an asshole that you ask for evidence... and when I provide it multiple times, you don't even look at it?!?!?

Here you lazy asshole... I'll link it for you a fifth time (you and I both quoted the link at least twice now)... watch the fucking 6-minute video then shut the fuck up about your ignorant claims!

Quote from: Moloch on April 05, 2016, 05:14:32 AM

Michael Shermer Out of Body Experiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCVzz96zKA0