Quote from: r0ach on April 07, 2016, 08:53:30 PM

Quote from: brekyrself on April 07, 2016, 07:18:58 PM

Would be nice to see members such as TPTB join and openly discuss with Dan crypto technology and direction. Many users around here often highly criticize different projects without realizing progress has up's, downs, successes, and complete failures. More then one project will eventually become "successful."

Community needs to come together and realize projects can adapt for the environment and aim for mass adoption.

I once viewed Bitshares as one of the better alternatives should Bitcoin PoW fail for some reason, but since all closed entropy systems are in fact technically permissioned ledgers and not anti-fragile, with no real fault or state recovery without central administration due to being recursive, I'm not sure there is a whole lot to gain by falling back on systems like this anymore. They are distributed but not decentralized. The Bitshares forum is honestly way too much of an echo chamber now with people who would just not want to hear or admit facts like this. Anonymint probably agrees with most of this, so yea, the last thing you would probably want is Larimer debating Anonymint.

Bitshares will probably need to evolve in a different direction from it's current model, but nobody wants to admit major structural changes are needed, and they would likely violate the social contract that's already been violated 50 times by bringing back mining.

Mining with a block reward is definitely required (either with transaction fees as block reward, perma inflation, or both). If you don't know why, read my thread:

IOTA - Permissioned ledger Russian extortion scheme

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1414866.0

Both Come from Beyond and Larimer have created systems without quantifying what makes Bitcoin a decentralized system in the first place, as can be done in one sentence as I demonstrated in that post.

R0ach, my point is there is no consensus among the developers on this forum(this is a GOOD THING for thinking outside the box). We do not know if one chain or another will gain mass adoption at this point, regardless of their strengths or weaknesses. A simple start of getting intelligent people together to discuss crypto can lead to interesting developments and or cooperation which benefit all parties.

Too much bickering about each others projects. These are all experiments at this point in time in which will require adaptation just like human nature.