Quote from: usagi on January 13, 2013, 05:04:53 AM

Quote from: myrkul on January 13, 2013, 04:18:48 AM

Quote from: DoomDumas on January 13, 2013, 04:04:33 AM

Quote from: myrkul on January 12, 2013, 05:26:28 AM

The carrying capacity of the earth is not static. Technological advancements continually expand it. We aren't living in a glass bottle, but a rubber balloon.

+1

On that one, I'm fully with Myrkul !

Technology can bring the carrying capacity of the earth well beyond we think possible.

You had me right up to here.

Quote from: DoomDumas on January 13, 2013, 04:04:33 AM

The monetary system and corrupted values that it promotes make the actual "beleived carying capacity" !

Now, when you say "monetary system," do you mean the debt-as-money the world runs on now, or sound money, as well?

Quote from: DoomDumas on January 13, 2013, 04:04:33 AM

Capitalism puts breaks on technological advancement, and whitout those outdated-capitalist constraint, we could have 100x more effectiver solar panel, lab grown meat that is exactly the same as the actual meat we eat, cure for cancer... etc..

Capitalism drives progress. Every time capitalism is suppressed, progress is stagnated.

Quote from: DoomDumas on January 13, 2013, 04:04:33 AM

Remove $ and we can more than double the carrying capacity of the earth. We are not short on space to live, we are short on food and energy, because of the $ system.

Could you please explain how money limits food and energy artificially?

I agree, that technology can increase the carrying capacity of the earth. But that is in fact my point -- technology has (and may continue to) increase the carrying capacity of the earth.

But technology requires energy. For example take some supercomplex cryptography algorithm where brute force is written off because solving it would take more energy than exists in the solar system. It's like that. How can we use technology to solve the world's ills when there is not enough energy to apply that technology all over the world? There are going to be serious issues even if we transition to solar right now, because it costs more energy to build a solar panel using today's technology that will be realized by said solar panel in it's lifetime. The reason why it feels cheap now, is because of the reliance on fossil fuels which are a diminishing resource.

I don't know how to solve this problem.

A famous economist named Julian Simon studied resources and resource depletion, and laid bets with Paul Erlich on the subject. He won, of course.

One of his most famous comments, was that the only scarce resource which was in danger of becoming scarcer was human intelligence, talent and skill applied to practical problems...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Simon