Quote from: crysx on April 14, 2016, 01:39:34 PM

Quote from: raven7886 on April 13, 2016, 11:50:27 PM

Quote from: Halofire on April 13, 2016, 09:29:53 PM

Quote from: crysx on April 13, 2016, 01:34:32 AM

Quote from: raven7886 on April 13, 2016, 01:24:50 AM

Quote from: Halofire on April 13, 2016, 01:07:56 AM

Quote from: GREEDYJOHN on April 12, 2016, 11:46:38 AM

Big holders of this coin should help. I used to be a big holder, but not anymore. I sold A LOT.

Somebody has bought A LOT. The new big holders should be able to get DEV team for this coin.

I have tried to get soopy over, but he is always missing. I am still around, but not a big holder anymore.

Throwing money at a coin will not solve things completely. If a dev or team is driven, it only takes one dev (or persons on a team) with 1 OC each to make that 1 OC dream worth a million $.
We need a dev and team to be whole-heartedly committed, to achieve new boundaries of code and see what the blockchain can really do. We have parts of that team already.

Well said. Well said, Halo.

-Raven

agreed ... totally ...

hence the word TEAM being 'unounciated' in the post ...

but you cannot expect a TEAM to have 1oc and make it worth $1million if the major holders of the 'team' is but the few that are the richest ... that will not work - no matter which way you look at it ...

a shared expense and wealth is the ONLY way you will do this - unless you get contracters to come in - do the job - and leave - getting PAID ( not invested in oc ) in btc for the 'job' ...

if my team and i came in and did this - with no oc in our pockets - how fair would that be? ...

as a team - shared wealth AND shared responsibility would be the priority ... but having said that - it all goes to hell if you dont have a team LEAD to have the ultimate say after the voting is done ...

sounds too corporate for you? ... it probably is ... but it works and can make a coin pull itself from obscurity - to the the forefront ...

there are some MAJOR holders of oc - that should share some of that wealth if they want to realize the coins potential ... its the only way to attract the attention and focus of devs willing to put time and effort in ...

thats my 1oc worth ( which is more oc than i actually own ) ...

#crysx

Of course one wouldn't want to do anything without receiving something for their work, but that something received doesn't always necessarily have to be worth something tangible or monetarily backed. Something is lost along the way when something becomes corporate.

If someone wants to come in and provide a service, services including dev work, then they should speak up. Do you think community funds can be raised for something of quality or innovation? I sure as hell do. The amount of momentum, news, and limelight would bring all types of people.

We have the OCDF (development fund) for stuff like this. If a dev provides something innovative, then I'll ask the community if the dev can be given all or some of the fund. With 200k+ OC in it, that's enticing. Want to make OC worth 50 cents? $1? $100?

Want to be paid in btc? Make the work worth it to the rest of the world and they will pay you in the markets. If an innovative dev can't stand behind their work and believe in it, then there's no reason for them to be working on OC or any other coin --- aside from the public's favoring of the dev's work (if the public doesn't like his work and the market shows it, that's not what I'm talking about). We are all trying to make OC grow. We all have our parts. When a dev releases code (soopy in this case), raven and I would hit all the social outlets or connections we had. It all feeds off each other. Cycle breaks, it's hard to get back in the groove, which is kind of where we're at now.

To anyone wanting to work on OC needing payment: Show the community something worth our hard earned OC and we'll go from there. Could be a plan, could be code to push on git, could be just about anything. We are open-minded and receptive. We discuss offers publicly. Some get turned away, some don't. Community consensus.

I have to agree with Halo, we openly discuss and move forward as a community.

I hold 100k I Can donate If we get moving forward again with news and development.

Cheers!

-Raven

ok - all good ...

do as you will - with the community at the helm ... thats a good way to make decisions and make sure its adhered to - as the responsibility falls back on the community ...

but as to entice devs into such a consensus that the dev ( or dev team ) is at the whim of community direction? ... well - i can only say basically what i have said earlier ...

communities are great for general decision making and planning - but core development work AND putting things into practice AND ensuring that it functions under a specific plan ... these things are DECISIONS that need to be made by the core team - and the development team that heads the project - not by the community ...

the majority of community members consist of investors and traders and bagholders - NOT by core devs ... dev work falls on dev teams - and as such - require specific knowledge and ( sometimes ) hard decision making - which should never fall on the community's shoulders ... if the community members were all core devs - then no problems ... but they are not ... members of the oc community ( or any coins community for that matter ) are a mix of traders and investors and laborers and nurses and accountants and ... see where im coming from? ...

the core decisions need to made by the core team ... create a core team ( headed by a LEADER - which doesnt necessarily mean a dev ) which can be decisive and can progress development - and you will have a winning formula ... leave it to the accountants and bricklayers and others - and you will have people that control what could possibly be a successful coin - down a path that really only a development team should be leading ...

these same people - the nurses and factory workers and others - will normally only be interested in their investment growing and flourishing at the hands of a competent development team ...

i know - as im one of those community members - and have been part of ( and still am ) developments teams ... though not necessarily with this coin currently - had i the inclination to invest - i would want to know that its being lead by competent people and a leader with a vision ...

this is obviously just my opinion and can be completely disregarded ... but i know what i would want - and it certainly would involve a team that didnt just do what the community wanted per se - but did what was necessary for the growth and success of the coin and the coins investors / community ...

#crysx

Allow me to clarify what I mean by community consensus, my definition and scenarios.
Voting on things like logo's, or voting on an amount to spend on a service, or like voting on 3 options we are given by a dev to choose from. We just move forward as a community, when a community consensus is required or an option. A dev or dev team can do almost whatever what they want once they are publicly accepted -- note that I did not say "voted in". It's not an election. It is the favoring of the community that decides whether a dev is accepted or not, and the market value will reflect that. If we were to be paying a dev to do work, then yes, a community consensus would be necessary if the OC dev fund would be used. If the dev were to be privately funded and announced as such, then the public favor will decide in the markets. If a dev does work for free or is privately funded but isn't announced as such, again, the market value will ultimately reflect the choices and work and promises of the new dev. We, as a community, would want the dev to keep the community's best interests at heart, which usually is aligned with the community anyway.

Please know when I say "dev" in the above paragraph, I mean "dev or dev team" for all intents and purposes.

Don't let this "political correctness of sorts" deter or steer anyone away. Soopy came in and did whatever he wanted. It's more or less these weird "broken cycle, dev-less" times I referred too earlier that the community has more say as we look for talent, as with the other examples I stated above.